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It's time to see if the polls are right.

Previously: the voting megathread

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[โ€“] echodot 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The reason a lot of people voted against it was that there was a concern that if it was implemented the government would consider themselves to have taken action and would just shut down any talk about proportional representation by arguing that we already had it. Even though we wouldn't have.

The theory was that by not voting for the weak source option the idea of proportional representation could be floated at a later date, and to be honest I actually agree with the analysis.

[โ€“] Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 points 4 months ago

Not an unreasonable concern, to be honest. In politics there is often a balance to be struck between "letting the perfect be the enemy of the good", and "not allowing a weak compromise option that's just not good enough to pass because it's ever so slightly better than the status quo".

We use IRV for our House of Representatives, which is by far the more politically significant chamber, and it sucks. Our most recent federal election saw just 4 Greens MPs elected after an absolute record performance for them (their previous best was 1). That's 2.7% of seats from their over 12% of first-preference votes (not to mention votes for closely-aligned minor parties like Animal Justice Party). Labor (yes...we spell it the American way in this one specific context, for some reason) got 51.3% of seats from 32.6% of the first preference votes.

But on the other hand, it is better than FPTP. Enormously better. Those 4 Greens seats would probably be 0 with FPTP, because who would vote for them? They first got into Parliament thanks to receiving preferences, and many of the new seats they won in 2022 were dangerously tight. I know even as an ardent Greens supporter, I would never have voted for the Greens under FPTP, because I'd be terrified of increasing the chance that the conservative LNP won instead of Labor.

If I were voting in the UK in a referendum like the 2011 one, I don't know how I would vote. Probably yes, but the threat of stalling any progress to an even better system is strong enough it's hard to blame people who vote no on that grounds.