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When people say to organize what do they mean? Is it just strikes and fights? (lemmygrad.ml)

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[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It took another poster a sentence to describe some substantive meanings of organizing in a communist context; what you've failed to say once in post after post of self indulgent ranting. Get your mind out of the cycle of elitism and dunking, and take this seriously.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

and take this seriously.

And you call me self-indulgent! More directly, it should be obvious to you that I wasn't trying to substantively explain what "organizing" consists of, anyone could tell from the first sentence of my initial (and in fact I talk about what it is and isn't under other comments in this very thread). I just wanted to talk about the problem of half-baked exhortations because both of our instances (admittedly mine much more than yours) have a problem with them. Is that bad? Do you have an "all top-level replies must be an answer to the post" type rule? It might be a problem with displaying across instances if that's the case.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago

I'm sort of at a loss at this point, so let me backtrack a bit. This is your original post:

When someone says “organize” without further elaboration or context regarding what they actually mean, they are saying: “I am either so immensely lazy that I refuse to give even the most basic directions to a receptive audience or else I’m a poser who doesn’t know what they’re talking about”

I approached this in my replies from a couple of different angles at first: 1) Opposition to individualism and the value of it. 2) The implication of ignorance and/or laziness and challenging that portrayal of others.

I'm willing to emphasize and admit I could have zeroed in on the 2nd one with more clarity and awareness in my initial reply, which I think is what bothered me most. But rhetorically, I was trying to challenge what read to me like binary thinking and projecting intent onto what may just be ineffective communication. Something which, ironically (or fittingly?) may be happening with us two here.

Like, have you talked to people who just say "organize"? Did you investigate and discover that they are posers or didn't want to bother to elaborate? Or is that an assumption you're making about why they're doing it? How do we get to the point of fixing that problem if we don't even know why people are doing it? I shouldn't have tried to excuse it as much as I did. I'm willing to agree it is a problem of a kind. But I don't think passing judgment on entire swaths of people without evidence is going to fix anything.