Asklemmy

That’s not how Nazis and other disgusting groups operate, though. Once they’re part of a community, they’ll start trying to get any other unknowing people interested in their content, so they start creating communities in disguise, trying to gain any new members, and make sure anyone who feels like an outsider, like they don’t belong, will feel welcome there, which in turn only strengthens those types of communities.

4chan used to be a pretty diverse community, which while it was definitely always pretty intense and insensitive, had a bit of everything, but after the American 2016 elections, /Pol/ started spreading to other boards until the /Pol/ folk became a very sizeable group everywhere else.

Nazism, by its very nature, advocates for violence and bigotry. There are a lot of abhorrent viewpoints that are despicable before they become illegal.

Fuck them and fuck their claims and wanting free speech. That’s not even something they actually believe in.

To be clear, the "jailbait" forums that Reddit tolerated for years were not officially tolerating material that would be clearly illegal by US standards. If they had been, Reddit would have shut them down out of self-protection. Possessing outright child pornography is a strict-liability offense.

They were, however, posting "upskirt" photos showing children's underwear. They were posting pictures of children at the beach in swimsuits. They were, in short, posting photos of actual children, where the photos had been selected for being sexually appealing to pedophiles.

Not drawings of fictional characters; real kids, selected for hotness to pedophiles.

I think that's something about which site owners can very reasonably say, "Even if it is not a criminal offense, we think it's wrong and we don't want it on our site" without anyone needing to be concerned about censorship of ideas.

There are some absurd people on this board with bad political analysis, but you can see that I edited the OP. Hopefully I didn't offend your identitarian tendencies or whatever that toe I stepped on was.

The name of the second instance, let me remind you, is "posting.lolicon.rocks". It seems to be run by an aggressively racist (loves to use the hard-r gamer word) pedo. Anyone who cheers what they even call lolicon is normally going to be some sort of 4chan-style sicko who probably pitched a fit at the Card Captor Sakura reboot having fewer upskirts.

The thread was already tagged :)

Giant images don't really contribute to discussions. :(

The point of blocking is to cause things to be invisible to the default view.

If the blocked material is put in users' face so they know it's blocked, that misses the point of blocking it.

Mod logs and published block lists are a great way of allowing users who are concerned about overblocking to investigate ... without failing at the whole endeavor by sending every user a copy of all the horse porn & Nazi spam that got blocked.

When I ran spam filtering for an institutional email server about 20 years ago, I made the "mod logs" (or rather, SMTP envelope data of blocked messages) available to users; but they had to go to a web page to see what messages had been blocked; and the content was not visible (since the mail server had never accepted it). I wrote that code so that my users could tell me if the spam blocking I'd configured was mistakenly blocking mail they wanted to receive.

(The users were scientists & engineers. They could read email headers. If they wanted to.)

But the point of blocking the horse porn spam and Nazi froth is lost if the users have to see it anyway so they know it's blocked.

Horse porn is not a made-up example, by the way. There was an email spammer named Jeremy Jaynes, who was in the habit of sending spam promoting bestiality porn. When he was arrested, suddenly the users on the email server I was running stopped complaining to me about horse porn.