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  • What book is currently on your nightstand?
  • Who is the author?
  • What genre?
  • How do you like it?
  • Would you recommend it to others?

Probably lots of bleed-over from the last week since it was posted so late, but...

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Audiobook versions of the novels, first published in the Eighties, to warn listeners of ‘outdated’ attitudes prominent at the time

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An antidote to the civilizational compulsions that rob human nature of nature.

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Real late in making this thread this week - but I got busy...

What book is currently on your nightstand? How do you like it? Would you recommend it to others?

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If you haven't read this short story, first published on June 26, 1948 and written by Shirley Jackson , you should! It quite possibly makes June 27th the creepiest/scariest day of the year (outside on Halloween of course)

Here is just a small snippet of the beginning:

The morning of June 27th was clear and sunny, with the fresh warmth of a full-summer day; the flowers were blossoming profusely and the grass was richly green. The people of the village began to gather in the square, between the post office and the bank, around ten o’clock; in some towns there were so many people that the lottery took two days and had to be started on June 26th ....”

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I read the Handmaid's Tale yesterday, finally. I'm disappointed. I did not like the writing style at all, there was no real story, just descriptions. And then it just ended. No conclusion or anything.

My best guess it's because the TV show was so intense and well made (at least the earlier seasons), and the book was... Not? Episodes would stay with me for days, but I'm struggling to recall the book already.

Maybe the book is supposed to be unsatisfying to go with the theme. Nothing much happened after Gilead was created, every day just kinda goes by. Sure there was some torture and death, but... Eh.

Maybe I was expecting too much after all the praise it got. It's my first Atwood book, and way way outside of my usual genre (fantasy, scifi, horror).

What did you all think of it?

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I've been on a binge this year of reading some fairly good and some terribly bad thrillers and mystery books. I just finished reading "And Then There Were None" by Agatha Christie, which I greatly enjoyed, particularly after reading the Silent Patient, which I thought was awful.

Any favorites of the genre you'd recommend? Any terrible ones you'd steer away from?

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Cross-postong from https://Kbin/m/wheeloftime

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Stranded on an Island. By random chance you've got your three favourite books with you.

What are you reading?

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I think many of you know the feeling of being in a reader's slumber: you both want to read but whatever you are reading right now just isn't cutting it. This was my case for the past months: while I absolutely loved reading The Karamazov Brothers, I barely made any progress due to it being quite a dense book and me being stressed with my Bachelor's Thesis.

But here comes Elena Ferrante with her (?) My Brilliant Friend. A very easy to read book that is also filled with depth. Maybe my recent trip to Napoli, the city in which the book's story takes place, had an effect on me, but I loved the way Ferrante paints the post-war city with all its harsh conditions: poverty, violence, lack access to education, young girls' being treated as sort of a commodity, while boys are forced to work from a young age to help their families and so much more.

It's really refreshing to read women written by a woman (presumably, as Ferrante is just a nickname and her true identity isn't public) and it already feels (at least for me) as a classic despite being written a mere decade ago. I'm looking forward to finishing the other 3 of the Neapolitan Novels, but Ferrante is already on my best authors.

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I reviewed The Vessel, a folk horror novel by Adam Nevill (best known for The Ritual). Tense and claustrophobic!

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Maybe cause I never read Neil, but I'm having trouble telling who is responsible for what.

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Cross posting from https://kbin.social/m/wheeloftime

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I recently read his article about enshittification and watched an interview where he talks about "chokepoint capitalism".

I also really like scifi and from what I've heard he writes scifi. What scifi book(s) of his should I start with if I like these political / economic views of his?

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Cross posting since the communities are all so small right now. Thought I would spread the content around. Please let me know if that's not okay and I will remove.

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What book is currently on your nightstand? How do you like it? Would you recommend it to others?

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Which book would you recommend me as my first ever book?

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I'm moving some of my higher-quality posts over from Reddit. This post was originally made on /r/wot, and as there doesn't appear to be a dedicated Wheel of Time or fantasy magazine yet, I am posting here.

FULL SERIES SPOILERS AHEAD

TRIGGER WARNING: This post analyses a rather infamous arc that centers on male rape.

The original text of the post starts here:

Mat's arc with Tylin sparks a lot of discussion, and I notice a fair number of comments wishing the books took her actions more seriously, or taking the character's amused reactions as the book itself signaling this should be funny and rightly finding that disconcerting. I want to take some time to post an analysis of this arc and show that you are meant to find her actions and the lackluster reactions of the other characters disturbing at best, and sickening at worst.

There were a lot of great comments in this thread about how this arc was meant to mirror and comment on media from the 80's and 90's where rape of women is played for laughs. Jordan really liked to take tropes like this and reverse the roles to make a point or make people examine why they felt uneasy. I won't retread those points here, but think that thread is worth checking out.

I had the same initial reaction, but the more I think about it, the more I like the way it's handled.

One other thing to keep in mind with Jordan's writing is that he was absolutely steadfast in maintaining the unreliable narrator and letting things play out the way they would in real life without the book itself moralizing about right and wrong. All moralizing is done by the characters, and often we are meant to realize that what the characters are presenting as "right" is wrong. This is especially obvious in matters of fact when we know something a character is saying with 100% confidence is 100% wrong, but Jordan often does the same thing with moral lessons as well, where something a character is presenting as morally right is meant to be taken as morally wrong.

Jordan wrote his story the way he felt it would actually unfold, and left it up to you, the reader, to apply your own moral lens without being told by the book how to feel. Character's moral sensibilities are strictly bound by their culture, upbringing, and personality. No character ever breaks the fourth wall and applies our moral sensibilities to a situation for the sake of teaching a lesson to the audience.

That means a couple things for this arc:

  • The prose itself never casts Tylin as a rapist, since none of our protagonists see it that way. Mat is a man so they find Tylin's "pursuit" of him amusing, the way Jordan believes they actually would given their culture.

  • Mat does not have the language to describe or process what is happening to him. We clearly see he knows on some level it's wrong but his inner monologue is his normal, brash, humorous, self. Mat lies to himself about a lot of things and this is no exception.

However, there are a couple things that I think clearly demonstrate that RJ saw her actions as wrong.

First: Mat's inner dialog is really hard to read, he's constantly oscillating between confusion, despair, and cracking jokes. It's so clear he doesn't have the ability to process what is happening to him, and this makes his sections gut-wrenching. I think it's why so many people have a visceral reaction to the arc. A sample:

“It isn’t natural,” he burst out, yanking the pipestem from between his teeth. “I’m the one who’s supposed to do the chasing!” [Tylin's] astonished eyes surely mirrored his own. Had Tylin been a tavern maid who smiled the right way, he might have tried his luck—well, if the tavern maid lacked a son who liked poking holes in people—but he was the one who chased. He had just never thought of it that way before. He had never had the need to, before.

Tylin began laughing, shaking her head and wiping at her eyes with her fingers. “Oh, pigeon. I do keep forgetting. You are in Ebou Dar, now. I left a little present for you in the sitting room.” She patted his foot through the sheet. “Eat well today. You are going to need your strength.”

Mat put a hand over his eyes and tried very hard not to weep. When he uncovered them, she was gone.

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There was also a red silk purse holding twenty gold crowns and a note that smelled of flowers.

I would have bought you an earring, piglet, but I noticed your ear is not pierced. Have it done, and buy yourself something nice.

He nearly wept again. He gave women presents. The world was standing on its head! Piglet? Oh, Light! After a minute, he did take the mask; she owed him that much, for his coat alone.

The crying is what really drives it home. If this was meant to truly be played for laughs Mat would not have such a painful inner monologue. Instead, Jordan is creating a dissonance between the humorous tone the other characters approach this arc with and Mat's inner emotional distress. It feels like Jordan asking us to consider the inner life of characters in other media that are the butt of rape jokes. Should we really be laughing at them? Or are we the palace maids to those characters' Mat?

There's also some points to make around Mat trying to figure out why he feels this way and reaching for reasons like "I'm the one who chases" rather than "she raped me" being a really great illustration of victims who can't even articulate why something was a violation in the aftermath of a traumatic experience and the gaslighting that happens to them, but let's move on to another character who laughs at the victim.

Second: when Mat tells Elayne what's happening, Elayne laughs at him initially, but then Mat, in a moment of selflessness, offers her the foxhead medallion to protect her from the Gohlam. She pauses, reassesses him, and:

I. . . .” That faint blush returned to her cheeks. “I am sorry I laughed at you.” She cleared her throat, looking away. “Sometimes I forget my duty to my subjects. You are a worthy subject, Matrim Cauthon. I will see that Nynaeve understands the right of . . . of you and Tylin. Perhaps we can help.”

“No,” he spluttered. “I mean, yes. I mean. . . . That is. . . . Oh, kiss a flaming goat if I know what I mean. I almost wish you didn’t know the truth.

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Aloud, she said, “I understand.” Sounding just as if she did. “Come along, now, Mat. We can’t waste time standing in one spot.” Gaping, he watched her lift skirts and cloak to make her way along the landing. She understood? She understood, and not one acid little comment, not one cutting remark?

This moment is narrated through Mat's eyes, so we don't know exactly what Elayne is thinking, but we DO know that Elayne is often depicted as having the highest EQ / empathy in the series. She plays peacemaker between her friends, cares for animals, and is the glue that holds her, Min and Aviendha together as friends rather than rivals through the tight bonds she consciously forms with both. She makes friends easily and is fiercely protective of them.

She also has zero issues with calling Mat on his bullshit.

So it's telling that she seems to recognize that this is affecting Mat deeply, and respect that even if she doesn't understand it. She may not go as far as realizing what is actually happening, and it may take her a moment to get there, but we can infer from her that she recognizes on some level that Mat is in real distress over it, and reacts to that, even offering to help him resolve it. This moment really stood out to me on my first read through.

There's a bunch of other things to dissect here, especially around the way victim-blaming and slut-shaming is interwoven into this scene (Elayne implies Mat was asking for it and got a taste of his own medicine, even though Mat is never shown flirting with someone who does not show interest), but let's move on to the next point.

Third: Tylin is killed by the Gholam.

Now, this may not seem like a point in the book's favor. Tylin's death seems to be played as a tragedy. When a character is killed for karmic reasons, most books wink at the reader a little, with some line of narration or dialog emphasizing that they got what was coming to them.

This is not the case with Tylin. Robert Jordan writes Mat's reaction authentically, and Mat has come to care for his abuser, as often happens in the real world. Her death is "played" as tragedy because that's how our narrator feels about it.

Mat did not realize his knees had given way until he found himself sitting on the floor with his head buzzing. He could hear her voice. You’ll get your head cut off yet if you’re not careful, piglet, and I wouldn’t like that. Setalle leaned forward on the narrow bed to press a hand against his cheek in commiseration.

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[Tuon] was watching him, a neutral expression on her face. “Did you care for Tylin so deeply?” she said in a cautious voice.

“Yes. No. Burn me, I liked her!” Turning away, he scrubbed fingers through his hair, pushing the cap off. He had never been so glad to get away from a woman in his life, but this…! “And I left her tied up and gagged so she couldn’t even call for help, easy prey for the gholam,” he said bitterly. “It was looking for me. Don’t shake your head. Thom. You know it as well as I do.”

But I contend that this death is one of Karmic justice. The Gholam only finds Tylin because it is looking for Mat, and his scent is all over her room as a result of her actions, so her immoral actions directly lead to her death

Further, she is killed by the Gholam while tied up and helpless, a perfect mirror of the situations she forces on Mat with her pink ribbons. Mat even remarks that she never would have stood a chance and couldn't call for help, which has symmetry with the absolute political and social power Tylin had over him. We even have scenes earlier on when he realizes the whole palace is complicit in serving him up to Tylin and there's no one he can turn to for help.

Such symmetry between death and actions is typical of characters being punished for their transgressions, but Jordan's style is not to moralize about it directly. Instead he presents to us the character's authentic reactions and thoughts. The symbolism and meaning is there for us to pick up on, but the unreliable narrator lenses it as a senseless killing of an innocent woman.

Jordan wants to make us uncomfortable, but he's not interested in handing us the answer to why on a silver platter. It's up to us to use our own reasoning and morals to suss that out.

TLDR: Jordan doesn't moralize himself in the books. He expects you to feel the outrage and uneasiness yourself, then connect the dots. Tylin's killing bears all the hallmarks of Karmic justice, so while our characters don't take what she is doing to Mat seriously, I think we are clearly meant to conclude it is wrong.

In many ways Jordan used this arc to examine Rape Culture before "Rape Culture" was a mainstream discussion.

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Are you in search for good books to read during summer holidays? Look no further. Here we review some from our talented Scottish writers

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This is a post I originally made on the /r/wot subreddit. Figured I would start moving over some of my high effort posts to the fediverse. There doesn't appear to be a big fantasy or Wheel of Time community yet so I thought I would post here

FULL SERIES SPOILERS AHEAD

Padan Fain gets ganked like a chump at the last battle. His incidental death disappointed many fans.

Yet if we peek below the surface of Fain's demise, I believe hints of a subtle design in the Pattern emerge that can be spun forward into implications about the Creator's deepest convictions.

The theory I'm about to lay out rests on an existing theory many of you will be familiar with: Fain as a backup Dark One.

Let's review:

In the depths of Shayul Ghul, Rand is grappling not just with the Dark One, but with himself. He enters the fray determined to destroy the Dark One for good, and throughout the battle is challenged with visions of the meaningless existence he would leave for the world, were he to achieve his goal.

At this point, the Pattern can't rely on what Rand will choose, so it has Fain on standby to take the Dark One's place if needed. And just like the pattern shanked the False Dragons it produced after Rand took up the mantle, as soon as Rand chooses not to destroy the Dark One, the Wheel unceremoniously disposes of Fain; it's clear the burgeoning God is no longer needed to spin the Pattern as intended. Mat is just a convenient nearby tool it has arranged to complete the task.

A few passages back this up:

[Padan Fain] was not reborn yet, not completely. He would need to find a place to infest, a place where the barriers between worlds were thin.There, he could seep his self into the very stones and embed his awareness into that location.

At that moment, Fain is going towards the Mouth of Shayul Ghul to kill Rand. Rand is at the perfect place for Fain to infest: the Bore. The Pattern aimed him like an arrow towards where it needed him at the Last Battle. And it did it all the way in book one, when it tricked the Dark One into imprinting Fain on Rand.

Let me say that again.

The Pattern tricked the Dark One into helping create and maneuver His own replacement.

I mean, just look at Faine's new name for himself:

Shaisam rolled onto the battlefield at Thakan’dar.

Shaisam. Looks a lot like Shai'tan, huh?

There's a few implications I LOVE about this theory. Let's look at another passage:

The process would take years, but once it happened, he would become more difficult to kill.

Right now, Shaisam was frail. This mortal form that walked at the center of his mind … he was bound to it. Fain, it had been. Padan Fain.

Still, he was vast. Those souls had given rise to much mist, and it—in turn—found others to feed upon. Men fought Shadowspawn before him. All would give him strength.

This snippet implies that although Fain is vulnerable, he's approaching the amount of power he can weild. His power is, if not equal to, at least comparable to the Dark One when the Pattern composts him. This makes sense. The Pattern's need for him was imminent if the Dark One was to be destroyed; there isn't a TON of time left for him to rank up his power.

Which leads to a conclusion: the Pattern could have also easily disposed of the Dark One at any point in the story. It just doesn't. Instead, it keeps the Dark One just contained enough to allow the universe's inhabitants to live their lives while having the choice to give into evil or not. If we think about it, walking that line likely takes even greater dominance than simply defeating the Dark One outright.

This solves another problem. We know that in other turnings of the Wheel, the Champion of the Light went over to the Shadow. In those turnings, the war was a draw. From the Crossroads of Twilight book tour:

Robert Jordan: Yes, the Champion of the Light has gone over in the past. This is a game you have to win every time. Or rather, that you can only lose once--you can stay in if you get a draw. Think of a tournament with single elimination. If you lose once, that's it. In the past, when the Champion of the Light has gone over to the Shadow, the result has been a draw.

That always struck me as weird. Can you imagine if god-tier Rand had gone over to the Shadow? How could that possibly end in anything other than a decisive loss on the Light's part? It strains credulity that the Light could eek out a draw from such a situation over and over again through eternity. Statistically, if the light has triumphed an endless number of times (because if they hadn't, the universe wouldn't exist) it' not an unlikely win, it's an inevitable one. It has to have a 100% chance of happening, because even a 0.00001% chance of the Light losing existed, it would have happened long before the turning we get to see.

The Creator stacked the deck. The Wheel could handle Darth Rand going over to the Shadow like it easily handled Fain. As easily as it could handle the Dark One. It's not fighting against The Dark One, it needs the Dark One to fulfill its purpose and spin the Pattern, because the Pattern is dominated by the interacting lives of those grappling between choosing the Light or the Dark. It's preserving the Dark just as much as it's preserving the Light. In fact, the Pattern needs the Dark so badly the creator set up the Wheel to spin out new Dark Ones the same way it spins out Champions to fight them.

Speaking of which, Fain's existence as the waiter-in-the-wings has a counterpart on the light. Nakomi's inclusion in the story may seem unrelated -- and often puzzling -- at first, but it plays directly into the worldbuilding here. If we accept that The Pattern has positioned her to take up the mantle of Champion should Rand fall — either to death, or despair — she and Fain as a pair reinforce that the conflict between light and dark is the greatest purpose of the Pattern, and must be kept going at all costs.

I'm not going to belabor how CLEARLY this paints the same picture Rand ultimately embraces: to the Creator, the choice between right and wrong is essential for being human to be meaningful.

Instead I want to examine the differences between Fain and the Dark One. The fact that they even are different is interesting. Fain is able to corrupt Trollocs and Mydrall with his power, and it changes their appearance and demeanor. From A Memory of Light:

[Faine's] drones stumbled down the hillside, cloaked in mists. Trollocs with their skin pocked, as if it had boiled. Dead white eyes. He hardly needed them any longer, as their souls had given him fuel to rebuild himself.

The Dark One's followers are fueled by greed and ambition to a tee. They want to dominate others to their will, they want Immortality to rule the world.

But Fain / Mordeth's / Shaisam's 'followers'... those he has touched like dagger-Matt, Shadar Logath, Faine's Whitecloaks -- they're disheveled where the Forsaken are polished, Paranoid where the Forsaken are conniving. Fevered where the Forsaken are cold. Isolationists where the Forsaken crave the spotlight. Give into base instinct where the Forsaken plot.

There are theories that Elaida and Masema were touched by the Dagger, and they exhibit these same tendencies which make them feel pretty distinct from the Forsaken.

If Fain really is meant as a possible replacement, then that means the Pattern might need that replacement. If there's even a miniscule chance Fain might be needed, then given eternity, there's an almost certain chance that the Dark One we know is not the first Dark One. And Fain is different from Shai'tan. So the Dark One before Shai'tan was likely different from Him as well.

Why would the Wheel allow variance in the Shadow and what it brings out in people if it needs things the way they are to spin the Pattern?

Maybe it isn't chance, maybe it's a design feature.

The Wheel of Time offers reincarnation as a way to help people get better in each life, to build on what they learned in the past.

Shai'tan tempts and stokes a very particular part of His followers: the hunger for power and acclaim.

Shaisam would stoke their paranoia and distrust.

And people would grow the most from experiencing both types of temptation and darkness. A rotating cast of Dark Ones makes the turnings of the Wheel varied enough that souls can keep growing.

And while I'm not sure this is what Jordan intended, I think it's an interesting possibility in the text.

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I received the copyright certificate for my book yesterday. It's such an incredible feeling to know that all those years of writing has something to show for it.

Of course, after I filed for the copyright, I learned that I pretty much did things in the wrong order for getting published...

But still! Synia lives!

#books

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As I've become a part of the Fediverse I keep thinking back to the Bobiverse book series and wanted to give it a shout out on here. It's a fantastic, funny sci-fi series about a man named Bob who gets his consciousness uploaded as the controlling AI for a space ship.

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Do you know there's a #fediverse alternative to Amazon-owned #Goodreads? #BookWyrm is a social network for tracking your reading, writing reviews, and discovering what to read next. You can follow and interact with users on different #BookWyrm instances and on #Mastodon. You can import from a Goodreads CSV export. You can create private shelves and curated lists. Join us at https://ramblingreaders.org or choose one of the other instances available #books #reading #bookstodon @bookstodon

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