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I can only repeat what I just commented somewhere else:
I built Swift apps and Mastodon or Discord are NOT a proper format to get help, Discord being crappy for archiving, too.
I have a hard time getting help by people that really know this stuff because Swift is made by Apple, and the Apple bubble tends to stick to Twitter and the likes. If enough migrate, I can finally say frick off, Reddit
I'm of the opinion that Reddit will become incrementally worse going forward, most users are not bothered right now because the whole API fiasco affects mods and not them, but as usual they miss the forest for the tree. The site will go for the users and creators next, but it won't be like this, it'll be one tiny annoying feature at a time to avoid mass abandonment. I'm already looking for alternatives, such as this one, in preparation, but most will put up with anything just to keep consuming the same old content.
There are more potentially interesting websites than I have time to spend. I'm taking the same attitude to Reddit that I take for StackOverflow and Wikipedia. I'll read their content, especially if it comes up in search, but I'm not wading through the cesspool to try and contribute anything.
I don't even think it needs to go for users and creators next; making moderation harder will have plenty of impact on its own. Many people seem to think mods randomly remove crap in some weird power trip. The reality is most are busy removing spam, abuse, shitposts, and the 5th submission of the same news link that's still on the front page. Once unpaid mods start leaving they'll have to implement automods that'll just suck as they always do. The quality of every sub is going to go to hell pretty quickly.
some people still poop in holes in the ground.
Because there is not yet a full alternative to reddit.
Don’t underestimate how much resistance to change stops people from looking beyond the status quo. Moving away from Reddit is a clear example. I suspect a lot of lurkers from Reddit are actually from the category of Late Majority or Laggards
https://www.betterup.com/blog/resistance-to-change
https://www.liveabout.com/what-is-resistance-to-change-1918240
https://ondigitalmarketing.com/learn/odm/foundations/5-customer-segments-technology-adoption/
Most of the subreddits I used to frequent (particularly/r/manga) haven't made the move to anywhere, nor they blacked out in protest. While I see some parallels here, there's still very few active users. I would love to be able to post more content myself, but I objectively do not have enough time in my hands.
I have no hope, but there are a few subs that I still love and it's sad that he is destroying that so he can make reddit like every other soul-sucking social network. reddit is unfortunately the only place I can go to discuss random things I love like the EPL, or WNBA, or the japanese show Gaki No Tsukai as no one around me in real live is into them. Hopefully some of that can transfer to lemmy or other places...but who knows...
Personally, I just feel bad for Apollo's creator and mods (the good ones) who spent so much time carefully taking care of a community they love, so in a sense I wish Reddit would come to their senses and axe that fucker CEO and revert to reasonable API changes. But it's mostly wishful thinking. Besides, now I would feel bad if Reddit managed to go back to being good because that would mean that this aswesome Lemmy thinghy would go back into the shadows, while it deserves so much attention imho.
I hear what youre saying, and I do agree, but keep in mind that the developer of Apollo has definitely come out well in all of this.
He has made millions from Apollo. Yes plural. Yes in USD.
I'm not saying he isn't deserving of his success, I just want you to be aware that he is definitely well off.
They are just following the reactionary social media norms these days. The lack of proper passing of information and just humoured by the subreddit protests such as in r/pics. Some people are not actually on Reddit for information.
Because Reddit has been our online home for years. It's where our communities are, where are online friends are, it's become home. People have spent thousands of hours building communities there, as a labor of love.
Unfortunately I agree with you- the home is on fucking fire and unless a monsoon spontaneously erupts we should get the hell out before it burns to the ground.
There are about 5 years of my life on there, for some users 15+. Now, if you dropped your laptop with 15 years worth of memories on it, you damn sure would have hope you could still save the data, even if it's obviously done for.
I get the reddit c suite just wants to go public and finally get their payout, which is understandable but if they're out then we're out too. There's better platforms now anyway that need a reason to be used and developed. They could have so easily handled this differently by just making the reddit app experience better than any third party apps today. But here we are and honestly I wouldn't bet my retirement that teenagers will still be posting to reddit in 40 years.
Some people like my bf just browse for a little bit of their communities and don‘t care about anything else.
However, if we make this place interesting enough they will come naturally, those sorts of people are like moths who are attracted to interesting content.
Because Reddit is familiar and people like to stick with what they're used to and comfortable with.
I'm guessing, at least partially, sunk cost fallacy.
And not knowing about alternative places.
Eh, I know about the alternatives and they're all clunky messes that will probably never have anywhere near the same userbase as reddit. Even if they do, they won't function the same way.
I don't mind Lemmy, and if Reddit continues to shit the bed I'll probably switch over fully, but I would much much prefer that Spez backtrack on all the recent garbage and just have stuff go back to business as usual.
I like having all my content aggregated to one space. A big selling point of lemmy and other federated systems is that they're "more free", but until a month ago everything was fine. I don't need or want to shake the foundations of how people consume media, I just need one guy to stop being a dickhead for 30 seconds.
And let's be honest, there a majority of people out there that don't want to take the time to figure out something new, and something that has some slight learning curve up front.
The fediverse as a concept is very different than the internet as it is now. The last 15 years feels like a slow slow consolidation of all the sites that rely on user generated content. Now that federated user content sites exist, people will need learn how it all works.
There's another aspect I haven't really considered until now. A lot of the sites that have user generated content spoon feed their users content they think they will be interested in. Reddit at least had a subscription model where you hand pick the communities you want, and the community curates the content you see.
There's a lot of stuff at play here, and I am very excited to see how it all unfolds for Kbin and Lemmy. Great tools will be adopted by great communities, even if they don't reach massive popularity.
Because no matter how bad it gets, like all successful social platforms, it will stay successful. People will continue to use it no matter how much they complain or criticize it. I regularly complain about Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, etc. But I still use all of them. It doesn't matter how unsatisfied people are with how things are being handled, if most people still see a reason to use it, they will until it's gone.
It's been my community since like 2007. It's hard to move on from all of those conversations and inside jokes because suddenly the landlord says he gets to be a part of our conversations because he owns the property despite never participating in anything besides maybe suggesting a few holiday events that the community had to make happen and execute on their own. It has nothing to do with the site. It has to do with what we created there, a lot like the street corner that used to be a thing. It's been made clear we're no longer welcome there and we'll find a new corner to hang out on. And as soon as it's user friendly enough the masses will follow. That's a mixed blessing because the same tired replies and memes will follow but the content will be there.
I'm a little drunk right now so I'm being overly sentimental, but the point remains. We miss the experiences we had, and fuck that greedy, spineless motherfucker for making us go elsewhere. But we'll do it and laugh about it the same way we used to about Digg. "Fuck Kevin Rose" was a thing the same way "Fuck u/spez" is.
Actually when you realize he did contribute it's worse than if he didn't. u/spez used to be a moderator. On r/jailbait. You can guess what that was for yourself
I get a "sunk-cost fallacy" feel from it. Like Bill Hicks' bit went- This HAS to be real. Look at my furrows of worry- look at all this Karma. This has to be real!"
.. it's just a ride.
I don't care about what happens to Reddit, but hopefully at least some of the content gets saved. It was already annoying when I was trying to find some answers to a tech support question and the subs that had answers were private.