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This article features a message from Andrew J. Robinson, along with an excerpt from the audiobook.

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[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After having this book lying around on my kindle for years, I finally finished it a few months ago. I think it is the only Trek novel I’ve ever read. Although I enjoy the franchise - in some ways more than I enjoy many of the actual shows - I tend to avoid franchise-driven novels in general due to a perception of poor writing.

Stitch is actually pretty well written - at least as well as one of the better episodes. Garak - he of ambiguous loyalties and sexuality - becomes a fully fleshed out character with a backstory and a complicated professional and personal life. Garak was and remains one of my favorite characters in the franchise, and this book lived up to the character and cemented his status. The author, Andrew Robinson, is the actor who played Garak, and I’ve always enjoyed interviews with him where he gives insights into his character. Originally, Garak was going to be more transparently bisexual, but the studio decided not to follow that line because it was considered too controversial for the time. Robinson, however, made sure to play the role in a way that let the viewers in on. that aspect of his character without getting a protest from the studio.

I will be picking up the audiobook so I can do a re-read. The fact that Robinson is the narrator means I’m going to be actively listening and not just playing it in the background.

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d say your assumption that the writing is generally poor on tie-fiction is unfair and unfounded. If you like reading science fiction, particularly space opera, you’re missing out on some really great books.

Yes, there are some books that are clunkers, and some to-be-avoided tie-in writers, but at its best Star Trek novels are just straight up excellent science fiction.

I read extensively in the genre and I can’t say unequivocally that the quality in non-franchise science fiction is generally higher. There are regrettably a high number of unreadable but books in each crop of new and recommended Sci-fi offerings.

What I can say is that the ‘put all the toys back where you found them’ books written while shows are running are constrained by that. While it’s a genuine problem for some, books by DC Fontana, Diane Duane and Vonda McIntyre are all worth your time.

The post-Nemesis Relaunch novelverse provided a complex set of tales that were allowed to take 24th century characters and societies forward. It’s been overwritten by Picard, but there’s still a great deal of high quality content for those of us who are voracious readers. There are also some 23rd century books, including the Vanguard series, that have continued.

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

That’s entirely fair. I unfortunately have less time for personal reading than I used to, so I end up either being much choosier than I was when I was younger, or more often I go back to re-read ones I know I loved. It’s easier to fall asleep to those sometimes.

I will take a look at your suggestions. The last sf books I really enjoyed were the Children of Time series by Adrian Tchaikovsky. There’s not a lot of hard sf that centers on biology (as opposed to physics), but the author absolutely nailed it. I’m incredibly impressed with the premise and the story, but the science was correct while still being brilliant and innovative. Imagine a civilization of human-level intelligence giant spiders, but whose psychology and society are done as spiders, not humans in spider costumes. On the other hand, I tried Project Hail Mary by Martian author Andrew Weir, and the science was so bad that I made it only about a quarter of the way through before giving up. I don’t need all of my sf to be hard sf, but if you’re going to be writing hard sf you have to get the science at least plausible.

Anyway, I really liked Garak in the show and thought his arc was among the most interesting. This book, however canon-y it’s considered, answered a lot of questions that were raised or hinted at in the show with enough depth and resonance that I wonder how much he was able to draw on character notes and how much was coming out of his head-canon as a follow-on from just grokking the character so well.

[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I have the book, but an audiobook would certainly add a new wrinkle to it. It'd almost be like a new episode of DS9 with Robinson narrating.

[–] GaiusGornicusCaesar@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think I may just get this book... nah. I definitely will get this book. Andrew Robison as Garak one more time? Yes please!

[–] Nmyownworld@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

That sampling of Mr. Robinson narrating his novel makes getting this audiobook irresistible for me.

[–] PCurd 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn’t seem to be available in the UK - I hope Paramount wake up to a world with more than one country in it one day.

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems the top executives get it, but Paramount Global communications seems to be deeply United States focused.

Simon & Schuster - a Paramount Global subsidiary that they are trying to sell off - does have distribution outside the US, but only ever includes the US on its webpages.

Some other licensed tie-in publishers will even claim that their products are available for all of North America via the US Amazon.com platform and that’s it.

It looks people in Canada like me can get the download through both Amazon.ca as well as the US site in this case. It’s not posted to Amazon.uk yet but it may be lagging a few days.

[–] fuzzy_goldfish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oh man, I'm so excited. I really enjoyed this book when I read it a couple years ago, and I know the narration will only improve it. It's a fun read.