They're actually fine with children dying because it means they get to go to heaven early, plus the adversity it causes their loved ones is beneficial. I'm serious, they told me this when I asked as a kid.
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Then why do they want medical treatment, when their injuries bring them closer to their end goal: heaven?
Yes, why is it that religious people aren't completely logical?
There are a few religions that refuse forms of medical treatment. I agree with what you're saying, but it isn't unheard of
Something something suicide leads to hell.
Better question is why wouldn't parents immediately sacrifice their newborns on the Blood Altar? I can only go to hell once but I could sire many children and give them all a guaranteed ticket to heaven. Actually, I could even take a shortcut and blow up a maternity.
... now that I think abkjt it, I guess some fundamentalist lunatics have probably already done it, and now I'm sad.
This is one of the many reasons why I don't get their arguments against abortion. An abortion is just a baby's e-ticket to heaven.
No it’s not- scripture says the soul enters at its first breath. Their arguments are nonsensical because they can’t really argue the real reasons.
They’re opposed to abortion because they want people- specifically the poors, and specifically the black poors- to have to have that kid. Unplanned/unwanted kids provide a huge economic strain on the family, and greatly reduce the ability of the other kids to succeed in life.
This means they’re more likely to continue a tradition of low wage blue collar jobs, or even better, get in on the school-to-prison pipe and provide more or less free labor for ages.
(Of course the other reason is the raging misogyny.)
It’s also the same reason why they’re so against social safety nets, universal health care and public education.
scripture says the soul enters at its first breath.
Do you remember where this is said? I grew up in a church and remember a lot of the rhetoric about how sacred life is and blah blah blah, but I don't specifically remember that part. I'd say knowing that scripture would help me convince people that their views are incorrect, but let's be real, these people don't want their minds changed.
loads of places, more or less. Keep in mind, it's the human soul ('made in his image'), that makes us 'special', compared to animals. christian doctrine, this distinction is what makes it acceptable to kill animals for food, etc. It's not murder because they have no soul. So the technicality of when life begins is different than the technicality of 'when is it murder'.
We can see this in numerous points of scripture:
Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
This is specifically to the creation of Adam, however, we see this distinction made in other places as well. Job 33:3
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
clear distinction, and also in Job 32:8:
But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand
There is also the distinction made in Exodus 21:22-25
When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
The punishment for causing a miscarriage is the more as taking the life of livestock, as seen in Exodus 22:1
If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and kills it or sells it, he shall repay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.
which is why exodus 21 specifies if there is harm (to the mother), the punishment for murder is death. It also is why it's specified that if others do it. If the husband, well... that's an entirely different matter. which, abortions... they even contain a recipe.... in numbers 5- but only if the husband wants.
The Torah notes a child who does not survive thirty days after birth does not get full funerary rites (a grim implication of infant mortality of the age).
Dan McClellan notes the current positions on the point of ensoulment come from Greek positions: Conception (Platonian?), Quickening (Aristotlean?) and birth (Epicurean? It's all Greek to me.) For most of Christian history, the quickening was the standard (about 22 weeks). The conception became popular after the 1970s when abortion access was made accessible and the controversy was used as a rallying point to unify Christians to conservatism as a voting bloc.
Where does it say the soul enters at first breath?
Genuine question, I wanna bust that shit out and have a citation ready.
God wouldn’t kill a child unless he was preventing evil
Every child with cancer is someone who would grow up to be worse than Hitler
This is why the pagan/Roman/greek gods made a lot more sense. They were all arseholes who didn't care about you.
Hera cared. Hera cared a lot.
Not that was a good thing. she cared because Zeus would come down as an animal and rape hot humans, so she cared an awful lot about people. So she could torture them.
Woah don't you know god is LOVE that is why he created hell to love his "children".
Oh sure, when God sure it it’s great, but when I trap my exes in a basement and spray them with a hose until they say they love me I’m a “freak” and a “monster”
Yea because its a small punishment you can do for uh what a lifetime ? Try torturing them eternally and then get back to me loser then i will obey you like a slave because logic.
Don’t kink shame…
I thought the last one's gonna be "— Gays? — I dunno they kinda appeared all by themselves"
Did ya see the recent bit about the humpback whales? Apparently the first time humpbacks have been filmed having sex, they were going broke back mountain ….
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Oh man, I forgot all about that Kirk Cameron banana video with "Ray Shine" or whatever his religious propaganda porn name is. Good times.
religious propaganda porn
"Oh yeah baby, repent harder! Condemn those sins of the flesh! He's second COMING!"
"god's plan... god is testing them... god is testing ME!"
Trying to pull a fast one on Jesus huh? Not on my watch!
No problem, when kids die of hunger they go directly to the heaven and live there forever WO hungry and eating everything they want..
And the reason God couldn't have just put conscious souls directly in paradise is because shut up, that's why
god works in mysterious ways.. 🙏🤞
There's nowhere in the bible that it states God's purpose is to ensure no children ever die, bad things never happen, and no calamity ever befalls us. I'm atheistic myself but I just think people have this weird idea that "god" is supposed to be this overarching protector who ensures nothing bad can happen. Where does that idea come from? The God of the old testament is a viscious homocidal maniac and kills people all the time, and creates havoc for them also. Why do bad things happen to good people? Because nowhere does it state that God's job is making sure they don't.
While you absolutely have a point you have to consider how people — specifically theists — portray God.
God is supposed to be this warm, loving father of everything that will send you to Paradise if you're nice for a couple of years and worship him (probably a kink of his, idk). If you don't, yeah, you go to hell or something else happens to you depending on the specific type of Christian that you're talking to but overall, churches, flyers, songs, people that ring your doorbell at 8am on a Saturday… they all make God look like a good thing.
Trust me I've pulled the "but doesn't the Bible say…"-card many times. They always have some dumb excuse to make God look like a good guy. I think it's fine to talk about God not only in the way he's described but also in the way he's perceived (not actual perception of course) and advertised, which is usually way more positive.
Well that's true and I'm aware that god is portrayed as a loving kind father of everything (so long as you do as he expects, that is). And it kind of makes sense, if you're going to worship something, you'd want it be something benevolent with good protector vibes.
But, it's quite obvious from the war and misery we experience that if god's job is to keep us happy, he ain't very good at it. I think, if there is any force out there that can (in the broadest sense) be called a "god," it is probably far from benevolent and very far removed from what we do on earth day to day. So instead of "in god we trust," I prefer to think "I trust in other people and myself." I mean, ultimately it's on us to create the kind of world we live in no matter what.
The last one on the right side could've been like "Oh, they were just unbaptised".
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