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[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 49 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Nothing shows how bought out the Republicans are to Russia more than the statement on how they didn't want to send weapons to perpetuate war. That's all these assholes want to ever do. The one time they don't and it's for daddy Putin. Half the issues with populism in the US seem to stem from the level of destructive populism Russia enjoys.

[–] SUPERcrazy3530@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

They wanted to stay in Afghanistan even after 20 years but 2 years of Ukraine is too much.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 8 months ago (22 children)

People just keep parroting this nonsense about money being allocated to Ukraine being the problem when the actual problem is lack of industrial capacity in the west to produce weapons and ammunition at the rate they're being consumed. The west has now largely run through the existing stockpiles, and lacks the capacity to produce more in time. Mainstream western media now openly admits this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/15/rate-of-russian-military-production-worries-european-war-planners

Allocating more funds for Ukraine isn't magically going to make stuff like artillery shells appear out of thin air.

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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 8 months ago

This is how proxy wars go. The Republicans aren't bought out by Russia. The USA uses proxies for specific strategic goals. When the goal is achieved or becomes untenable, they cut off the proxy. That's just how it goes.

To avoid showing voters the realpolitik they need some plausible reasons for cutting off the proxy. Usually it's a combination of fiscal responsibility noise and isolationist noise. This is no different.

The USA was provoking Russia. Russia got provoked. The USA activated some sleeper cells, those cells got neutralized. The USA wanted to see Russian capabilities, they got what they could, including intel on hypersonic missile performance, but I don't know if they got what they wanted.

And then multiple fronts got opened up against the West (Niger, Palestine, etc) and threat escalations emerged in unexpected locations (Iranian missiles im Venezuela). And it's become clear the West can't produce the war machine it needs for the conflicts that are coming. So, it's time to cut off the proxy. Russia doesn't have the means to occupy Ukraine. The USA is not worried about Russian expansion, so there's no more reason to be there, except of course the rhetorical reasons that were used to mask the proxy nature of the conflict in the first place (russophobia, anti-communism, moral posturing, etc). So, to control the domestic mood, the Republicans get to play their part as dirt bags, make a bunch of rhetorical noise about why we can't fund them anymore, and psyops adds some Russiagate flavor through networks of influence to mask the reality: the proxy has outlived its usefulness and the USA is cutting them off.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I sure hope some alphabet agencies in the US are looking deep into the senators blocking aid to Ukraine for being foreign agents of Russia.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Americans who think the alphabet agencies are going to save us: ACAB includes the alphabet agencies.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh I don't think they will. I meant it sarcastically but I realize now that probably isn't coming across.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] thenewred@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

As opposed to Cole's law, which is a finely shredded cabbage salad

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

They're too busy looking for pedo rings so they can chum up with them and then let them off with a "warning"

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

hope away, the alphabet is mightly righty

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"Why won't Russia just admit they're losing already?!"

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

But you see, a bazillion Russians were killed during meat wave assaults with nothing but shovels to take this city that only has symbolic significance.

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[–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Are ya winning son?

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Ukrainian forces had withdrawn from the city in the industrial Donbas region to avoid encirclement, the army chief, Oleksandr Syrskyi, said on Saturday, adding that he had acted to “preserve the lives and health of servicemen”, stabilise the situation and move troops to more favourable defence lines.

The capture of Avdiivka gives Russia full control of the area surrounding Donetsk, a large Ukrainian city that was seized by Russian proxy forces in 2014, and comes as the second anniversary of its full-scale invasion of Ukraine nears.

The Ukrainian army had struggled on the frontline around Avdiivka in recent months during one of the most intense battles of the war, which left the city almost destroyed and caused nearly all of the more than 30,000 prewar population to leave.

The US president, Joe Biden, had warned that the city might fall to Russia due to weapons shortages exacerbated by months of Republican congressional opposition to a new US funding package for the Ukrainian military.

After the failure of Ukraine to pierce Russian lines last year, Moscow has been trying to grind down Ukrainian forces just as Kyiv weighs up a major new mobilisation and Volodymyr Zelenskiy has appointed a new commander to run the war.

It holds particular symbolism for Russia as it was briefly taken in 2014 by Moscow-backed separatists who seized a swathe of eastern Ukraine but was recaptured by Ukrainian troops who built extensive fortifications.


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