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When people are way too smug about their wrong answer.

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[–] NotGeorge@lemmy.world 115 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's Noah way God would do something like that.

[–] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No way? Yahweh.

[–] starlinguk@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't understand why people say "I trust God". He had his own son nailed to a cross, FFS.

People in the middle ages got it right. "I do what God tells me because he scares the crap out of me."

[–] SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I've been reading through the old stories for the first time in my life, and in my view, you can only read them through the lens of a series of allegorical lessons intended to warn about consequences that do take place in the real world, and those consequences can be beyond lethal.

History will wipe your entire bloodline out if you make bad enough mistakes. Ask the Hitlers.

[–] Someone 6 points 1 year ago

That’s the way they were taught to me, but I’m starting to think I was pretty lucky with my schools/parish. There was no sex ed though so not that lucky.

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[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not only hasn't read the bible. Also hasn't seen The Ten Commandments which definitely shows god creating a deadly plague. Charlton Heston would like a word.

[–] lamentforicarus@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or Prince of Egypt which has one of the best soundtracks and great animation. I'm not a Christian but even I know about the damn plague that got those little Egyptian kids.

[–] neoman4426@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hell, not only does YHWH kill many innocent children, a big part of the story is how he literally brainwashes the pharaoh to have an excuse to do so. YHWH explicitly "hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him"

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TFW god could've just softened his heart and avoided the whole thing altogether.

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[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was raised Christian, and i was considered a superstar in Sunday school because I knew the Bible stories better than most of the ‘teachers’

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[–] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or seen The Prince of Egypt. “The Plagues” is one of the best tracks on a hell of a soundtrack.

[–] BornVolcano@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I send a pestilence, a plague

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That's the beauty of Christianity.

The Bible is so full of contradictions that you can get it to fit any worldview you want.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Only if simultaneously being willfully obtuse and ignorant.

For example, in Mark, Matthew, and Luke, Jesus forbids those going out to minister from brining a purse or money.

This necessarily prevents monetary collections.

So why is the church okay with taking your money today?

In part, rationalized by Paul's arguments in 1 Cor 9 against the earlier Christian community there that don't think it's appropriate to profiteer off ministering.

But then even more, at the last supper in Luke, Jesus explicitly says "Hey guys, remember when I said not to carry purses? Let's reverse that and now definitely carry purses."

Except this addition to the last super in Luke-Acts is missing in Marcion's version of that gospel, which is probably preserving the earliest extant version of it.

So while yes, you could in theory fit Jesus in the NT to agree with Paul that churches and those ministering have a right to profit from it and should definitely collect money from people (like they do in Acts 5 where an older couple who holds back money are both struck dead before Peter) - an even halfway critical eye should see that the historical Jesus was far more likely to have been against such practices given the widespread accounts of his ban, the earlier attitudes in Corinth, its embarrassing nature to be added in after already collecting money, and the late nature of the reversal.

And to see that much like biological evolution, ideas evolve over time too, and the version of Christianity we have today isn't necessarily the one closest to the original form, but simply the form that was most adaptive through the fall of the Jerusalem temple, the endorsement of Rome, etc.

So yes, few people might know or see it this way, but that is largely because they don't bother looking into their preconceptions and would rather believe a superficial picture that agrees with what they think they know (and I'm not only talking about Christians here either).

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[–] Tyfud@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

Except the one that actually makes the world a better place.

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"Tattoos are a sin."

"Dad, you have a tattoo."

"Yeah, but Jesus forgave me."

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[–] Sarcastik@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (11 children)

This coming from the politician having orgies and cheating on her husband with her CrossFit gym owner.

I could give a shit, but the hypocrisy is real.

Exodus 20:17

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

MTG a cheater? No way, I always thought she was a woman of faith. SMH ... /s

[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

She's a woman of very strong faith. She has faith that as long as she spouts the "correct" kind of bullshit, she'll have money flowing in and all the power she craves...

The worst kind of faith. Faith in success for being a hypocrite.

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I mean, the rest, sure, but the dude has a pretty sweet ox

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[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If god created humans, then anything that humans do is technically god's fault... isn't it?

[–] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Nah, that's Section 230 where the creator isn't responsible for what its users do.

[–] SeanT@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nah, they have that covered with the free will clause.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Or it's the work of Satan, who doesn't actually have free will, but get to do evil things because otherwise you'd be blaming god for killing a bunch of people. Although, in the one place where Satan is doing things in the bible, it's god that does all the killing.

god kills Job's family so that he can brag to Satan about how much Job loves him.

[–] lachs@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Something something mysterious ways.

Like that U2 song.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Now you're getting into Calvinist territory lol

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[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

no no don't you see that's a facile argument? sky daddy gave us free will to do evil so we had to choose him because... that is... because there... uhm

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[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The ten plagues of Egypt:

[–] Cybermass@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that's because she is Lilith

[–] Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Hey, you be nice to Lilith. This sloppy excuse for a fetid meatsac calling itself MTG has nothing on the Mother of Monsters.

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If God and Satan each held out a hand and said "come with me, I'll keep you safe and totally won't kill you"

I'm going with Satan. Way better odds

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll always think of Jim Jefferies on this topic.

The bible, that’s god book, as far as I know the devil hasn’t brought out a book yet, haven’t heard his side of the argument. God’s just writing shit about him, and the devil’s being the bigger man and saying I’m not even going to comment, talking shit about me like that.

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[–] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Someone needs to rewatch the documentary "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Wait til she hears about cancer

[–] halvar@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, He over that phase now, was kind of childish to begin with. Now it's "why make a deadly plague, if the chinese are going to do it anyway?"

[–] III@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

God works in mysterious ways.

[–] Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For some reason the only way can interpret this is she's saying the bubonic plague was a bio weapon... Or any other plague in history, including the ones "God" takes responsibility for in the Bible.

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