Companies: won’t hire college graduates Also Companies: “College graduates aren’t prepared for the workforce”
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Also companies: you need to be a college graduate
Colleges: you give me money and I give you a piece of paper. You can get your education from YouTube.
You can get your education from YouTube.
That right there is a big part of the problem. Watching someone do something is not the same as knowing how to do that thing yourself. Especially when the youtuber is just some fuckup selling TV dinners.
Both those clauses are in agreement...
Edit for the silly gooses:
Not hiring young folks and believing young folks aren't prepared to be hired is consistent.
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Let’s stop this idiotic hazing ritual. 15 years ago I was a recent grad and people were saying similar stuff. These attitudes kept people my age out of many workplaces. It was shortsighted.
I was rejected many times before I got my first job, and managers in my first roles used my age against me a lot, especially when I didn’t stay in my lane. Finally a company removed my leash and treated me as an opportunity rather than a threat, and they got a big return on that investment, but it took years to find a place like that.
We were acquired and I’m doing other stuff now, but when I see my products in the wild, I sometimes wonder about all those hiring managers who couldn’t see past my age. Did they ever learn that unreplaceable means unpromotable? Did they ever learn to have a bench? What would we have built together if they weren’t so afraid of change?
Of course this is just one story, and profit isn’t a proper motive for doing what’s right. But those who don’t care that ageism is bad for society should at least consider that it’s bad for business and their careers.
The thing is people come and go through this phase of life relatively briefly. Then it's not their problem anymore. Nobody is in it long enough to care to change it.
Maybe so, but if our generation knows what it’s like to find the ladders pulled up, and we don’t care enough to put them back for the younger people behind us, who will?
Bullshit, they don't want to hire because the economy is in the shitter. Just in 2021, corps were hiring college graduates like crazy.
So the respondents were lying?
They are employers. If they say it's because of the economy, it'll fuck up the stonks further because the whole thing is vibes based.
They are known to lie. See Target shoplifting claims which turned out to be bullshit.
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Probably, yeah, its a survey with no stakes asking people to give unverified confirmation of biases and stereotypes that they likely want to support and proliferate.
Weird to take it without a pillar of salt.
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I'll acknowledge that 1-in-5 bring parents bit is pretty wild to me as I'm assuming it was more than just a ride.
1-in-5 of the survey respondents say they’ve seen a recent grad bring in a parent. That doesn’t mean 1-in-5 bring parents.
That doesnt even mean anyone brought in parents. Thats an easy lie that multiple managers Ive worked for would gleefully tell
What's the point of that lie though?
Reinforcing stereotypes they believe are true despite lack of evidence.
Like how these same people swore up and down that millenials were lazy, greedy, worthless members of society not 10 years prior. Wasnt true then, isnt true now, but I spent my working years getting an earful of "examples" of why millenials were awful workers.
That doesn’t mean 1-in-5 bring parents. It means 1-in-5 interviewers have seen someone bring in a parent. If an interviewer has 500 interviews and 1 brings in a parent, that interviewer is one of the five who has seen a parent at an interview. Even though it was only 1 in 500 interviews for them, they’re still 1-in-5 interviewers.
Hell, it could even be the same fucking parent at every interview, if it’s a small enough industry. Maybe that same college grad applied to all of the local jobs in the industry (because of course they did; it’s what they studied for) and so all the interviewers in that part of the industry have seen a parent at an interview. It’s still only the 1 parent, but all of the interviewers in the area have seen them, so they all report that they’ve seen a recent college grad bring a parent.
I've interviewed more than five Gen Zers and none of them brought their parents
1 in 5 employers have had a recent college graduate bring a parent to a job interview
Who the hell does that? Even by highschool kids should be sorting out their life affairs independent of their parents.
Though the reason behind recent graduates getting looked over is simple. There are a lot of people on the job market with experience, especially in industries like tech with the tech bubble bursting (probably the worst time to graduate in tech is now), so recent graduates have to compete with experienced workers. And the experienced worker will win almost every time. Similar happened after 2008 to recent millenial graduates, it's when the whole "millenials are lazy/immature" thing kicked off. It's seems to be a cycle. In a decades time/when the next major global economic event takes place, experienced Gen Z workers will be getting all the job offers, and the next generation to graduate will get the short end of the stick.
The "1 in 5" probably makes it sound way more prevalent than it actually is.
- Say you have 5 companies that interviewed 200 people each in the recent past
- 1 candidate had a parent come to their interview (which could mean "driving them to the interview and waiting in the lobby," which is still weird but nowhere near the connotation of "sat in and listened to interview questions")
- 1 in 5 companies will report they've had a parent come to an interview, even though 0.1% of candidates brought a parent
I’ve never been in a position to make hiring decisions, and probably never will. If I ever am, though, an interviewee being interviewed with a parent would be a HUGE red flag (unless there was an obvious medical reason).
If the parent was just there for moral support and stayed in the lobby, fine. Unusual, but fine.
"Small survey finds majority of employers looking for fresh graduates, though as would be expected most graduates need to develop professional skills. Sometimes weird people turn up to interviews, which is sad funny, and every now and then you hire someone who's a bad fit". This is normal
It is a sad fact that for-profit universities and colleges sometimes hand out degrees like candy, making them not worth the paper they are printed on. In essence they trade on their past reputations, hoping that nobody will notice. Well, people noticed. Students, after they start interviewing, often BEG their professors to actually teach them what they need to know. But they cannot, b/c, and I cannot state this hard enough, the purpose of a for-profit education system is not to teach, but to... can you guess what I am about to say... say it with me now... "just make profits".
*Boomers and older GenX with outdated value systems and brains addled by leaded gasoline are still in power but shouldn’t be
FIFY!
Who decides what is or is not an "outdated valued system"?
I think every single generation does that when they’re young. They freak out the old folks. Eventually they become the old folks, and then younger generations are freaking them out.
It’s like we forget how the boomers were criticized for their rock-n-roll music (huge amounts of panic). We forget that Gen X’ers were supposed to be a bunch of disaffected slackers. Rinse. Repeat.
It’s a choice to participate in the moral panic du jour, you know. I think Gen Z will end up being just fine, just like everyone else.
The employer preferences:
First career job I had, I was 26, and the next youngest employee was over 50. I had a co-worker who was 70. This is such a fucked state of affairs. We should all be retiring by about 55-60.
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