this post was submitted on 16 Jun 2023
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The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don't think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the "second in command"

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[–] rektifier@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's wait for per-user instance filters to be implemented, then everyone can block instances to taste. As long as their users don't cause trouble in our communities, there's no need for our instance to act as a moral guardians and decide what our users can and cannot see. Defederation is a nuclear option that should only be done if their instance is disrupting our instance's operation (spamming and breaking rules while in our communities).

I like that sh.itjust.works currently federates with almost everyone, and I can see a big part of the fediverse from here. It would suck having to visit multiple instance to see the whole fediverse.

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[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Lemmy or Jeroba just ate my comment so let me try again.

I didn't initially want to join here, but the instance I did want to join (which is defederated with Lemmygrad, Burggit, and Exploding Heads and I think that's a fantastic defed list) is having significant growing pains at the moment, while shit just works here. I ran across my first Exploding Heads post in All and it was gross, and it seems like the tools available to me as a user will leave me playing whack a mole to get rid of all of it which I'm not looking forward to. Right now I'm planning on moving to that other instance in a few weeks once they get everything sorted out, but if Burggit and Exploding Heads are defederated here and the issues with Beehaw are sorted out (which I'm optimistic that they will be), I'm open to staying here, it's certainly the easiest option for me given the lack of account migration options, and the perks of being in a larger instance (the community search feature in Jeroba has worked well for me and I think it's due to the large user base here). I'm extremely impressed with how The Dude is handling the scaling issues and his communication with Beehaw right now, also I generally like Canadians and green energy, lol.

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[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 22 points 1 year ago (12 children)

We should absolutely not turn to defederation as a first action. You know how traditional social media bans opinions that are not acceptable according to themselves?

We must be better than that. It creates a ridiculous otherwise where people think everyone agrees with them and they are never challanged in how they think about things.

I think we should be exposed to different opinions as long as it's within the rules, meaning people must be polite, not hateful, not breaking the law etc.

[–] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You say we should be exposed to different opinions as long as it is within the rules and yet this instances most active communities post anti Trans hate and covid conspiracy shit. Surely this goes against our instances rule of no bigotry. Also paradox of tolerance, etc.

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[–] Ozma_of_Oz@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no way I'm going to read all of that but I scanned it and caught a "I have many gay friends" and said ayup, there it is.

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[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

If we're losing our minds over ~20 active users, then we have way bigger problems than that instance.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I have no issues defederating with an instance like that. I just don't think it matters much either way.

[–] arkcom@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

They've probably gotten more clicks from this thread than they have in their entire existence.

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[–] ohheywei@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just as an outside observer - a lot of people from reddit are out searching for a new home. Convos like these will set the tone for every new entrant so you have the opportunity now, before it all goes really big like reddit, to shape a community based on mutual aid, love, earnestness instead of one focusing on building capital at any cost.

There are so so many socially conservative sites and spaces fully dedicated to those communities, big enough that even normal media covers them. But how many Gabs or Parlers exist out there for marginalized people, how many communities are willing to do the hard work of ensuring there could be a beloved community where hatred and minimization is curtailed, who don't act according to the will of private investors demanding incessant growth?

I hope there can be spaces like that which can grow from a watershed moment like this. It would be really cool if it were this one 😌

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[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd like to decide for myself what I want to see and what not, as an adult.

[–] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Well if the instance defederates then you, as an adult, are free to move instances.

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[–] Floon@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I often hear the argument "they'll just go elsewhere," "they'll just start new accounts," etc, to defend not censoring/defederating/blocking/whatever fascist or proto-fascist people or sites. That's not an argument, that's a commitment to rolling over for fascists and intolerance. They're bringing the fight, and not fighting back and making their lives harder is just helping them move the Overton Window further to the right, and making horrific ideas palatable.

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[–] kraken@u.fail 14 points 1 year ago

it would be better, to be able to block a whole domain/instance per user, like we can do it with communities

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I agree holy shit I went there today and there was some hateful af stuff

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