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It kinda defeats the entire point of the fediverse. It couldn't be more obvious what they want to do, and that's control it, or destroy it.

Cut the thread.

What do you see as the risks to the larger fediverse in having Meta federated?

What benefit does Meta hope to see?

We should defederate the internet. LAN not WAN!

Defederate

i think just treat them like anybody else

Defederate

Defederate.

My concerns have mostly been voiced already. EEE is a very valid strat used by larger companies. Additionally, I am super concerned that integrating will cause a flood effect and drown out and replace the existing communities. Just look at what happend with Reddit's purge for a good example, while I wasn't here prior, everyone I've chatted with who was has stated it annihilated a lot of the existing ideology that existed prior to the exodus.

Nay, not worse than some instances already in lemmy and exposure is two way, but looking at the results, it seems I’ll have to create an alt on some other instance if I want to participate with the bigger communities of Threads.

It’s funny that shit like this gets automatic defederation and not the way some admins behave, make bullshit up, and leave links up to instances they claim have pedo content instead of reporting it to the competent authorities. Just like Musk, they make Zuckerberg actually look good in the shit comparison. But people only want to see what they want to see, specially when it involves someone who puts on a very different face when they interact with them.

Nothing.

I don't plan on staying here if you defederate with Threads, but I respect your right to do it. The move seems unnecessarily reactionary and premature. I think the open web has more to gain from encouraging companies to invest in ActivityPub than it does siloing itself off from anyone who represents real growth in the space.

If you want the community to remain small, fair enough. I believe in a world in which every social media service is using ActivityPub; I don't care what or who they are. I don't even really understand what the anti-EEE crowd is afraid of? The protocol is run by a neutral party (W3C), I can't imagine any features that would compel major change, nobody that's already on the Fediverse is going to leave, you can always decide later to defederate... The system already seems pretty well protected against hostile action.

I was thinking about this some more, and now I think this entire conversation and vote is entirely irrelevant. Not just not worth having, but actually completely makes no difference.

A big company like Meta is gonna want to control what content is on it. Which means they're almost certainly not going to use a blacklist model, they're going to use a whitelist. This allows them to carefully control who they're federated with.

Their federation list will likely be a who's who of big influential mastodon servers, maybe some pixelfed servers. They probably don't even know that Lemmy exists, let alone the 8th largest instance. If/when they realize Lemmy is a thing in a few years, they might approach lemmy.world and/or lemm.ee.

All of this to say, I don't think this vote matters.

Disclaimer: I know it’s an unpopular opinion, but despise what I said in my message, I am not strongly for or against federation with Threads. I just feel it’s better to give another point of view to the situation (there is no harm, people who disagree with this instance final decision will just migrate somewhere else, regardless of the choice).

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I don’t think we should treat Threads differently than any other instance. If they cause no harm, they should be allowed. As a consequence, I would personally not defederate immediately.

I am more concerned at a more general level, in the sense that federating with a large instance can be difficult / impossible to handle moderation-wise (which is not specific to Threads). This could be solved by simply putting the charge on Meta (just like any instance): if they can’t moderate their content, we will defederate (and revise the decision if changes are made on their side).

I also don’t really see why this would hurt the fediverse: it’s not like they can’t already get all the data they want from the fediverse, and the moment they will push ads to the fediverse, the instances will just defederate.

People will just follow the content they seek. If they have to migrate towards another instance federating with Threads (or directly leave for Threads), they will (which might not be an issue for the fediverse).

If you are hosting another instance, and have not had a vote, do it before the Threads bots vote for everyone.