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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Man, the replies are shilled as hell. There's a war of aggresion in Europe, and nobody can afford to be a bystander. We have paid bitterly for inaction against dictators in the past, and we must not let history repeat itself. No amount of fake handwringing or nuclear sabre rattling will change the fact that Ukraine is a free and sovereign nation, and that Russia has no right to have any territorial pretensions towards it. As for the paid trolls and contrarians - history will not remember you kindly.

[–] lasagna@programming.dev 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The less we push against Russia now the more aggressive it will become in the future. Playing nice has led the world to a global crisis and Ukraine to a bloodshed filled with war crimes.

Russia's government is evil and there's no middle ground between good and evil that isn't evil.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The less we push against Russia now the more aggressive it will become in the future.

There's this certain line of argument that says that the best thing to do for peace is to let Ukraine fall, or at least force them to cede occupied territory. That thinking is so ignorant of history. When a country gets expansionist and the response is timid, it just means that they're going to continue later.

[–] lasagna@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

May save some Ukrainians in the short term but they will just become front line meatshields in Russia's next war if not worse (e.g. imprisoned under false pretences and / or enslaved).

Ukraine knows this so they're essentially a cornered animal fighting its predator. Russia is taking a huge gamble and losing.

[–] Hubi@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I can't believe how many tankies I had to scroll past to find a sane comment.

[–] lasagna@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm very wary of Lemmy because of this. There's so much pro Russia / China going on here. Users who spam post propaganda that go unbanned.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's not necessarily bad to have your views challenged now and again. It not only forces you to defend your own assumptions. If you look closely at someone who is in an echo chamber, you can start to identify areas where you are hobbled by being in an echo chamber.

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[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

The tankies are in your walls.

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[–] klieg2323@lemmy.piperservers.net 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do not like the direction this is going.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that a quote from Putin?

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[–] RocksForBrains@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

3k sounds like a detachment of instructors. Good support.

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