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Sin bins have absolutely NO PLACE in football.

Just make all current yellow cards punishable by 5 mins sin bin. No need to invent a new colour.

Makes sense.

Single yellow cards directly do very little to 'reward or compensate' the victim -outside of making a player play more cautiously. Those yellows for breaking up a dangerous counter attack mean that the attacking team lose out on a possible dangerous attacking situation. Imo sinbins would be a more apt punishment than the yellow card. Bring it on!

About damn time

Great.... something else for VAR to fuck up.

I think one of the huge challenges here is that culturally, across all sports, we’re moving away from a model of broad trust in officials to be the “fallible but mostly deferred to” arbiters of the rules towards a model of letter of the law perfection that has huge consequences monetarily and emotionally for teams and fans.

In the old model, particularly in football, refs had to use a lot of discretion in how to manage the game (giving warnings and not yellow carding too early, etc.). This is their mindset and how they’ve been trained whether intentionally or just by cultural forces.

In the new model, the patience for subjectivity without reasonable explanation is virtually nil. So in order to evolve, they have to both learn how to communicate their reasoning more effectively and they need more tools for game management. For example, ways to give some actual consequences rather than just a stern talking to.

Of course there will still be quibbles (was that only an orange, should it have been a red, why wasn’t player Y given an orange when player X was for something similar). But overall, it improves the ability of the refs to say, “we handed out a consequence, here was our reasoning. Partisans may not always agree with the decision, feel free to voice that and we’ll continue trying to improve”.

But continuing to do nothing and hide behind the shield of “you can’t criticize referees” will absolutely not work. I’m all for this kind of experimentation. We as fans will also need to learn how to value incremental progress rather than trashing everything the moment it doesn’t work perfectly.

Just get rid of VAR. It has taken a lot of joy out of the game. This is my one boomer take. I couldn't care less if it technically has improved decisions. Football doesn't have to follow other sports in everything. Football is unique, let it stay unique.

Stop fucking around with the game ffs

I like the idea of a sin bin. Use it for dives, fake fighting and all that sort of crap. Swearing at the ref.

This is an integral part of ice hockey and really makes the games exciting.

I personally would like to see this extended for all second yellows. 10 minutes against ten men will make for an interesting game; the team with 11 have to go for it because they only have a limited time advantage.

I personally hate seeing people sent off as I pay to watch a competitive match, and that just ruins it. But 10 minutes of advantage is tactically really interesting and means we get to see these great players on the field more.

Am I the only who see this as a positive thing? I think that there are so many situation in football where the player who committed a foul doesn't deserve a red or a yellow card,sin-bins would be perfect for this kind of situation! At the same time this will make football even more subjective and alongside this new rule, a new rule should also be implemented! Stoping the clock every time the ball isn't in play would guarantee that teams that had a player out for 10 minutes wouldn't waste those 10 minutes by faking injury or something similar!!!

I think a better orange card rule is to force sub the player who commited the offence. If no subs available then you go to 10 men. But if you have subs, it means the team loses that player, but aren't down to 10 men.

Sin-bins?

Never thought a hockey term would be used in football.

If they use this for a non-dangerous last man foul for a penalty then I agree, it would be a bit more fair than the current double whammy of a sending off and a penalty.

Could be good to prevent cheating if done right

This is not good.

I love this idea

Just make it two yellows equals a sin bin. A third is a sending off. This will only add to the confusion.

Just red card divers in the box. Fixed 90% problems.

Tell me you want to take the attention off VAR without telling me you want to take the attention off VAR.

The amount of fuckwits that cry arse for red cards now for any sort of contact post slide takle, it's only fair we start to weed out the shite red card decisions.

Red cards used to be used for brutal damaging leg breakers. These days you get Curtis Jones getting reds cos his foot slipped over the top of the ball and made contact with an apponent at 10mph.

You ruined the game yourselves.

Finally, I’m so glad they’re trying this. If they launch it I wonder if Pep will take another sabbatical!

While everyone is rightly saying this will lead to even more arguments about fouls, the time-wasting during these penalty kills is going to be epic...

I actually don't mind this idea.

I'm Irish and I watch a lot of Gaelic football and the black card is the exact equivalent of this. They use it really well I believe, where cynical fouls as in stopping attacks and hard tackles that aren't necessarily reds.

The difference is in Gaelic football it is 15 v 15 and with 4 extra players on the field teams won't hide back and defend as much as they likely would here.

I would say it deserves a trial, as in next season's Carabao Cup where the stakes are lower we could see how it plays out.

Another “judgment” call for the refs to f up…brilliant!

We need less rules not this bs

All I'm saying is 10 minutes isn't the middle ground

Your having a laugh what is happening to our game

No

There are highlights floating around today of a hockey ref sending everyone on the ice to a 10 minute penalty. Lol imagine what a mess this is gonna be.

Some of you here are being stubborn for tradition. This isn't just "another thing for the ref to screw up", these calls would be made either way, for a yellow or red. If anything, this option could lessen the effects of a bad red card call. The yellow/red card system is way too rigid and doesn't allow for proper game management from the ref, as since the gap between the effects of yellow and red are so large, players will absolutely push what they will get away with. Introduce these sin bins, and we could even see time-wasting reduce.

Or just give players yellow cards consistently for such fouls

That is a terrible change.

Don’t you mean “sin-ical”?

Actually....why not get them out of the game? Cynical foul (no attempt to play the ball) = red card. They'll reduce within 1 game week.

I referee low level games and I always thought its weird the rules are more strict at that level and pros get away with all sorts, time wasting etc. I have to call offsides without help and no VAR to lean on.

My biggest wish if this is going to be a thing is that the sin-bins are placed near the corner spot. Just so the ref can tell players to "GO SIT IN THE CORNER!" or say "Time for a time-out in the corner young man!"

Yes please. Tactical fouls shouldn't exist. Fouls have punishments to discourage them. If the benefit outweighs the downside then the punishment is too mild. It's basically legal cheating.

Can we just sin bin all referees in operation for 10 centuries and replace them with some that can actually follow the current rules?

On paper I don't object to the idea, but in reality I question why when they already have a yellow card for this very reason. The problem, as always, is referees not doing their jobs and brandishing yellows for obvious cynical fouls.

Start waving cards as you're supposed to and some teams would be down to 6 men before half-time.

Finally, this could be great for football but realistically it's probably going to be inconsistent as hell.

Terrible Idea. Everything they are doing is to add storage to game to add commercial breaks. I’m telling ya. they will ask for a damn time out soon (not teams….. the ones who sell the TV rights)