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[–] LeakySkylight@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Teens get what their parents buy them. Period, lol.

[–] play_hard_outside@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It’s funny how green bubbles and iMessage get all the blame for the result of Apple having literally created a better product.

[–] skapuntz@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

To be honest, I got my first iPhone ever this year (had always android since LG, the pixel OG, 3 and 5), and I don’t think I will ever go back to android. The only thing I miss from the pixel is that I preferred the camera for photos at night. But video on iPhone is unbeatable

[–] MrMaleficent@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I'll never forget a few months ago on Reddit I saw a dude comment the only reason so many teenagers have iPhones is because they usually don't pay for it themselves, and they're gonna switch to Android when they get older.

[–] stnlkub@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I keep reading this is “a US issue”. It isn’t and it isn’t just iMessage. In Japan, walk up and down the crowds in the subway and an astounding majority of people have an iPhone. Most people are using Line to message. There’s more to it than blue text bubbles.

[–] Tiwenty@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Same in Paris

[–] Ashanmaril@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Over the years Apple has fixed a lot of the annoyances that Android users had with iOS, and meanwhile Google has locked down Android, implemented measures to prevent rooting/customization, made all their apps a constant A/B/C/D test controlled by server-side flags that constantly rearrange your UIs and prevent the ability to sideload specific app versions, been less generous with the free service offerings, and repeatedly shut down, re-launch, re-brand, and overhaul all their apps and services.

Google does a pretty good job at selling iPhones.

[–] Kimantha_Allerdings@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I watched a video recently which also said that reasons for Android losing ground to Apple is that the products have become more like each other. Android used to be seen as the cheap alternative to the expensive iPhone. But nowadays flagship Androids are just as expensive, if not moreso, than flagship iPhones. Apple also offer a much cheaper version of the iPhone which is comparable in price to low-to-mid-level Androids. Not to mention the fact that the longer OS support of Apple means that buying a cheap second-hand iPhone is easier and easier.

Couple that with the fact that, as you say, Androids are becoming less customisable while iPhones are becoming more customisable, and all the reasons that people used to choose Android are becoming less and less true and/or relevant.

[–] Kupfakura@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

What? You can root pixel phones, nothing is locked down on androids

[–] DreadPiratteRoberts@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I miss the rooting/jailbreaking days it was fun to learn how the software and hardware functioned in unison with each other why side loads would or wouldn't work. And honestly most the stuff that people consider cool or just take for granted on the iPhone now or only available through jailbreaks on the earlier models!

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[–] TennesseeWhisky@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is so true!!! Constant ui changes in google apps are fucking infuriating. One day for 24 hours I even had COMPLETELY missing watch later playlist on YouTube and I use it all the time.

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[–] akkobutnotreally@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got tired of all that treatment after years and years of using different types of Android devices. The update scenario didn't help either, even though Samsung has done massive strides to improve in that aspect.

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[–] tnnrk@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They would need to completely revamp the branding if they want to market towards younger non-tech interested individuals. Simplify the hardware/software and boost marketing with a cool and luxury focus. I don’t think feature improvement is required for this problem in NA, you need to change the nerdy alternative image people have in their minds when they think Android.

But they basically own the rest of the world so idk if this is even an issue.

[–] rubbishandroid@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I think smartphone is losing battle for them. Maybe research on the Next big thing .

[–] PorcelainPrimate@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of it comes down to the messenger too. The younger people that I know prefer iMessage, green bubbles are like repellant to them. If android could get their shit together and make a similar app without doing the typical Google thing of fracturing it into five apps later on, then they might actually win some of the younger market share.

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[–] BirdBruce@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Full disclosure: not a teenager, haven’t been for 25 years.

I used to be an outspoken Android fan. My favorite thing about Android was being able to skin the launcher to make a truly unique-looking interface. I switched to iPhone about 6 or 7 years ago because I needed hearing devices that use an app that isn’t available on Android. That’s literally the only reason.

Since that time, I now I have an Apple One Family account which includes a good amount of cloud storage, Apple TV, Arcade, yadda yadda yadda. It all works without issue across all devices. The coolest benefit of having this was this last Summer when my wife and I lived apart for about 4 months, we were able to watch Ted Lasso and Foundation and some other stuff together.

I now use Logic Pro X recording software, which is exclusive to Apple. Its available on Mac or, more recently, on iPad. I use it independently on both. You can also use your iPad as a remote mixer/controller connected to Logic running on the Mac—this is an AWESOME feature that I now wouldn’t want to live without.

Outside of Logic, you can also use your iPad as a wireless second screen for your Mac. It’s not the most elegant solution, but it works without having to do anything. At the end of the day, it’s another value-add to the greater ecosystem.

Headphones: AirPods 3. Watch: Apple Watch 7.

Basically what I’m saying is my entire work and personal ecosystems are Apple-based, so it doesn’t even make sense for me to even consider a non-Apple phone.

And that’s really what it comes down to: a difference in vision. I don’t really drink the Apple kool-aid, but I do believe they have a comprehensive vision of how all hardware and all software interact with each other. They are a specifically a hardware and software company.

Google, on the other hand, is an ADVERTISING company. Everything product Google makes—and let’s be clear, it’s ALL software—is designed to serve you ads. They have no interest in any kind of cross-device compatibility beyond how it might serve you ads better/faster.

I don’t foresee going back to Android unless Apple does something really egregious to somehow betray my trust or confidence.

[–] Sopel97@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

They have no interest in any kind of cross-device compatibility beyond how it might serve you ads better/faster.

What? It's apple that's lacking compatibility. Even SMB is gimped. You got enclosed in an apple garden and you like it, ok, but your assessment is completely backwards.

[–] thiskillstheredditor@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re absolutely right, they have a comprehensive vision and it’s long-term. The marriage of thoughtful software and clean hardware is Apple’s secret sauce and they’ve been perfecting it since the 80’s. Google throws everything at the wall to see what sticks, which is admirable in some ways but almost always leaves users in the lurch when they move on to something else.

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[–] cmdrNacho@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do use both but the exact opposite.

We all use Gmail, gcal, tasks, gdrive, keep, etc.

We have nest products everywhere. We have Google pucks everywhere.

I use a Samsung and there's key software they offer that no other phone manuf. offers.

There's a lot more flexibility in using software and files without being specifically tied down to Apple, so it makes easier for cross compatibility against Windows, Mac, Android and iOS

I'm sure we could argue the merits of each ecosystem but the differences are minimal these days

[–] Sopel97@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Yea, the only people who praise apple's cross-device compatibility are people who own only apple devices. Go figure.

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[–] Bitter-Raisin9102@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

iMessage is the reason why apple is such a brand-loyal company and it is why they will never make it cross-platform until some government agency drags them across the finish line kicking and screaming. Love it or hate it (as a longtime iPhone user, I personally think the green/blue bubble discrepancy makes it a bad user experience for both iPhone users AND android), this is the most significant component of apple's walled ecosystem that keeps people from straying away from their garden.

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[–] TalkToTheLord@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Literally not a problem for anyone but Google, a company.

[–] smallfried@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Competition is very important. Two players is bad enough, having just one player reduces innovation and cost competitiveness.

See what happened with Intel and what they did when AMD finally brought some proper competition to the market again.

[–] SuperMazziveH3r0@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It can be an Apple issue if Androids market share diminishes to below 20%

Google has the money to lobby congress for antitrust suits and Apple may have to pay Google to keep Android alive

[–] MrMaleficent@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I'll never forget a few months ago on Reddit I saw a dude comment the only reason so many teenagers have iPhones is because they usually don't pay for it themselves, and they're gonna switch to Android when they get older.

[–] driftuntiloblivion@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It still boggles my mind that you can get in trouble because your competitors can't keep up with you or have a worse product than you. I get that this doesn't really happen often, but it's both funny and sad.

[–] Rhed0x@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It's the only reason Apple even exists today.

[–] TheReaver@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it still boggles my mind how people don't understand how a company having a monopoly isn't a good thing. prices go up, innovation goes down because you have no options.

[–] driftuntiloblivion@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is it a monopoly tho? There are shitload of smartphone companies and Android still has more users worldwide than iOS.

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[–] JQuilty@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

iMessage is vendor lock in, not being better. Apple is just as bad as 90s Microsoft on vendor lock in and EEE.

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[–] turtleship_2006@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a problem for every other oem, and (more importantly) for current android users. If people stop using it Google are simply gonna stop making android.
Which also indirectly affects ios users, less competition (and Innovation) isn't good for anyone.

[–] Lankonk@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

As long as apple prices their phones like how they are, they are never going to have total domination.

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[–] Valiantay@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Android isn't cool with teenagers in the United States, and ~~that's a big problem~~ the rest of the world dgaf

FTFY

[–] LeakySkylight@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Pretty much, yes. Canada too, but we have a strong Samsung/Motorola base. Apple really doesn't make phones very affordable, while Moto/Samsung have devices starting at $200.

Also, teens in the US/Canada get what there parents choose, and that's most likely a financed carrier deal. Choices are limited.

As for the world, lots of options.

[–] BytchYouThought@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who cares? Android owns most of the global market. No one gives a shit that one country likes one more than the other. It isn't a problem. These articles are definitely clickbait

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[–] winterman666@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can an iphone use adblockers for youtube?

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[–] razekery@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I worked 3 years as a representative for an android brand. I was always top 3 in my team regarding results and sales. Even if I could convince people to buy android, I could never convince myself. Also 8 in 10 people in my team used iPhones. It’s not just younger people. While the iPhone is not perfect, it’s simply better, more polished and more reliable. Get a new case and screen protector for your 3 year old iPhone and it still feel new, while your 3 year old android is ready to be recycled by then.

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[–] External_Forces@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google has got to fix the messaging disparity. RCS is not iMessage. It never will be. It relies on your SIM card having an active network connection to work. The apps are the other issue. Let’s just face it… Android apps on the whole are not as good as their iOS equivalent. Developers spend 90% of their time and money on the iOS versions of their apps, the Android version gets the crumbs leftover.

[–] LeakySkylight@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Apple was told by EU to create a link for E2EE messaging and they said "lol no". Google offered secure integration with RCS, even run their own servers. Apple said "lol no, buy iPhones".

[–] YZYSZN1107@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Simplicity is the reason for us. When I was old enough to have a device I got handed an older parental iPhone. Still ran good, OS updates etc. screen time etc was so easy. The formula worked and so the younger siblings did the same thing.

[–] LeakySkylight@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

So the same as a Samsung or Pixel, who both get more years of updates than Apple now.

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