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I mean, makes sense to me. You're storing your data on someone else's servers, makes sense that it would count towards your storage quota on said servers.
Having said that, it's really shitty that they've removed local backups (and that they don't allow other third party services beyond Google Drive and Apple iCloud).
Another reason to not use WhatsApp (or to use another backup solution), I guess.
Well, that depends on context. Let's say it makes less sense if you built your entire userbase on the back of handing off free storage for decades only to reverse course later after you've amassed a captive userbase in the literal billions of people.
But hey, I'm not gonna relitigate enshittification now. We all know.
FWIW, my current Whatsapp backup is 4GB, 1.5 without video backup. Google Drive gives out 20 for free, but they already made the same move regarding Gmail storage, so most of that is full. I have a paid account, but it's a work account and my personal chat logs do not belong there. Not using whatsapp is not an option. Just this week my vet sent me text messages over it. They didn't ask if I use it, they just assumed it because, again, captive audience in the billions. Whatsapp is just how texting works here.
Many people where I am also use WhatsApp. I don't, because I don't use Facebook apps. It hasn't caused me many issues, and in the few cases where someone won't switch to Telegram or contact me on another platform, I accept that same as I accept that when using Lemmy I won't get the same content I would on Reddit.
I didn't say many.
I said everybody.
I don't think I know a single person that texts over anything but Whatsapp. Businesses will reach out that way if they have your number. The government, too, sometimes. Every single person I know defaults to it and nothing else. My parents do. All my friends do. I may be able to convince a few of those to swap, but there is no way I'm convincing all of them. Again, "swap" here includes SMS texting. I'm saying this applies to all communications over phone that aren't direct phone calls. Scratch that, actually, most of these people also default to Whatsapp for voice calls.
The one exception is that some of my foreign friends do use a different app. They use Facebook Messenger.
You can use Whatsapp and something else. You can't get rid of Whatsapp.
Have to use WhatsApp to function in society though, where I am. At least, those messages aren't really that important in the long run so they don't need to be backed up, so no loss there for me.
Rental agencies won't contact you on anything other than WhatsApp where I live (im serious, they won't, they have 45 other prospective renters who want the same place you do and they all have WhatsApp).
So it's a deeper issue than just a content one as I need a roof over my head.
google drive gives out 20? I only have 15
Maybe I got grandfathered in? I don't know, at some point obscuring their own rules became part of the dumb playbook of all these tech corpos.
Having said that, it's really shitty that they've removed local backups
Every day I love Swiftbackup more, indeed I have been using this solution even for WhatsApp.
You're storing unencrypted data on google drive with those backups, so they scan all of your chats. Whether they just look for malware/CSAM or people manually look through your chats is something you'll never know.
I mourn for the poor worker who needs to look through all my dick pics
When did they remove local backups? Or is it removed for someone who has opted for Google Drive backup?
I never chose cloud option, so I have my local backup. Android by the way.
But it's text, an entire persons message history can be stored very cheaply.
A million words is only 2MB.
Most people are expexted to text less than 10 millions words in a lifetime.
An entire persons lifetime message history is only 20MB, that's trivial to store.
If they want to charge to save media, thats fine, but text backups should be free
Does it have an option to back up only text, without images and other media?
I don't use WhatsApp, but my Signal backup is several gigs because of images and videos.
In WhatsApp it is possible to back up only text and images, without video. Not modular enough though
WhatsApp bundles them together, that is the problem. Google does not know how to differentiate it.
Yeah whatsapp sucks, but I am tired of trying to convincing my family to switch.
Supposedly because of the EU, they are working on interoperability with other apps.
Just waiting to delete that spyware app.
Hopefully they will make it costly enough so that the people will stop using it and as a result choke MetaZucc's AI data training and research
We can hope but it's the standard nearly everywhere no one will leave esaily
Hopefully they will make it costly enough so that the people will stop using it and as a result choke MetaZuccβs AI data training and research
Who do you think "they" is? It's not like Google would offer free storage for anything but maybe its own service anyway.
WhatsApp is e2e encrypted tho
The backups aren't unless you specifically set it up which I guess most people don't
Never saw auch a clickbait title.
the backups will count towards your 15gb free quota
Most people do not have a full google drive. This only includes a small portion of the whatsapp users who use google backups.
I have seen people having WhatsApp Backup of upwards of 5-8 GB
There's also an option to transfer your chats to another device without backing up to Google drive, but it obviously works only as a transfer tool not as a backup.
Hope that sh*t goes bankrupt once and for all.
Narrator: no it will not, not anytime soon.
High time WhatsApp allowed backup to other cloud solutions like Dropbox/OndeDrive/others
Nothing Is for sale, everything is cloud based subscription, dlc's, and micro transactions. And you're also the product.