Surely everyone knew it would cut pollution, just many people don't give a shite about it.
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Are those vehicles off the road though? Or have they just moved?
It says off London roads. Which they indeed are.
London has an awful pollution problem because of its density.
The idea is to get them away from London which is what's happening.
I don't know how anyone can expect these zones to reduce them elsewhere in the country.
Me neither
The TfL director of strategy and policy, Christina Calderato, said the figures showed that the Ulez was “highly effective in taking the oldest, most polluting vehicles off the roads”.
Problem moved, not problem solved.
I suspect for the most part - problem solved. Any of those Petrol cars are going to be older than 2006, this probably gave the people the nudge they needed to buy a 2009 second hand car and get their old one scrapped.
theres a churn of car ownership which has a natural beat to it. brand new cars get passed down after 3-4 years into the 2nd hand market and so on, and the proportion of new cars is now significantly more clean - either through new engines being far more efficient or through complete moves to BEV. So the process of becoming cleaner over a decade is well under way. These old cars may have been moved out of london, where the pollution is worst because of all the factors (oxford streets’ strange ecosystem airflow for example because of the height of the stone building, creates a strange envelope which traps pollution in and circulates it) but they will soon be replaced by cleaner and greener cars regardless of where they were moved from because the overall mix of engine type is rapidly changing. Overall, the same filthy 2006 vehicle is less polluting in a different setting, with a different use case and if its older than 2006 probably about to have its wheels fall off in any case.
Diesel could be up to 2015, not sure there's many families who can just find the cash for a newer car. Sounds like just stop being poor.
Sounds like just stop being poor.
You driven behind many pre-2016 diesel cars recently, really not recommended.
Moreover ULEZ was announced in 2015 - by then mayor Boris.
What's that got to do with it? Do you think poor people choose to drive shitty old cars?
Moreover what? This is segregation by financial status. Poor people can go and breathe dirty air?
Poor people do breathe dirty air. Somewhere like Harringey only 40% of households own cars. Thats the poorest 60% who have to hoover up particulates from the richer 40% and the people commuting in.
If it’s segregation by financial status it’s not the poorest the suffer.
It'll be interesting to see the pollution data when they release it. But the further it expands from the city centre, the less public transport, and the more people are dependent on cars.
It's be okay if they offered a decent scrappage scheme and invested in a public transport system so fewer cars were needed.
The problem of the massive concentration of pollution in London is being helped massively by this.
You're talking about a different problem.
You sound like you are trying to disagree with me, but I think we are in agreement. Confused.
The cars have just moved to other areas of the UK. Dealers are using forecourts up north to sell second hand vehicles sold due to ULEZ expansion.
Surely that's the plan? To reduce pollution in London.
Other cities with similar pollution problems know what to do then. However London's particulate concentrations are pretty unique, from what I recall.
This is 🐂 💩. Poor Alex had to sell his X5.
Yeah, but now he's got Big Pete
Baaa, he got Cayenne because of that first. And that one was 💩.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The number of the most polluting vehicles driven in London has fallen by almost half since the capital’s ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) was expanded, taking almost 80,000 older cars off the roads.
About 77,000, or 45%, fewer non-compliant cars and vans were detected on average a day in September, the first month of operation of the expanded zone – compared with June 2023.
TfL and Khan have said any net revenue raised through the Ulez will be reinvested into public transport, including the expansion of bus services in outer London.
Rishi Sunak’s government has used the expansion of Ulez to attack political opponents over what it has called “Labour’s war on motorists”, part of a battle against green policies it hopes could prove popular with voters.
The TfL director of strategy and policy, Christina Calderato, said the figures showed that the Ulez was “highly effective in taking the oldest, most polluting vehicles off the roads”.
Analysis of how much the expanded Ulez has affected air pollution in the capital is due to be published after six months of operation, with the data collected from 150 monitoring stations over a longer term to allow for factors such as weather.
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