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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] goldgate@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Season 2 is released? I just finished watching season 1 yesterday!

Good timing!

[–] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

I'm doing my first watch of TOS and the instrument that Spock picks up is the same as in TOS 1x02. That was a cool little reference.

[–] lwaxana_katana@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I didn't really love this episode. I agree with other users that it feels a bit more DIS than SNW s1. I think maybe because of the pacing &/or the action, or maybe just how OTT the plot is, like stealing the Enterprise should be a bigger deal than it is here imo, it just feels a bit ... almost routine? Also I feel like I am the only person on the internet with this opinion, but I really like Spock's relationship with his fiancée and I don't particularly care for the whole Spock/Chapel sub-plot, soooo I am sad to see that continuing. I also didn't enjoy the overtly -> overly emotive Spock, it reminded me of the films, and the Chapel nearly dying bit again felt more DIS than SNW s1. Also, I counted like four different occasions of somebody remarking on Spock being a very un-Vulcan Vulcan, which really felt like a bit much...?

It was very nice to see more of M'Benga, though. He is a great character and I felt like we didn't see enough of him in s1. It felt weird having very little Pike or Number One, though. I hope this is not going to be the standard going forward, it feels like going backwards after SNW seemed to spend a whole season trying to reassure us that they understood what people hadn't liked about DIS?

Oh also -- the new chief engineer seems cool.

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[–] Navi@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Enjoyed pretty much everything in this episode except the magic super steroids. The sequence went on for so long.. I assumed that I had forgotten something from last series because there’s no way they would have had this to hand the whole time and never thought to use it during any one of the many life and death emergencies?

That aside. Loved the rest of the episode and looking forward to where things go from here (plus really really happy to have weekly Trek again!)

[–] scarecrw@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

there’s no way they would have had this to hand the whole time and never thought to use it during any one of the many life and death emergencies?

Ah, yes, the star trek classic!

I do agree, though. It was too long and too effective. A quick burst to make their way past the medical guards and into a turbolift would have been more believable and better paced.

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[–] arod48@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (14 children)

So we're not going to talk about the drugs that supposedly give you the strength to beat teams of Klingons and have no side effects?

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[–] henriquecm8@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nice episode, I was expecting a cliffhanger at the end showing what Pike was up to.

I am curious about the Lanthanites, I’ve had visitor before, like Guinan in 1890s, but a whole species living among side humans, maybe they don’t have a big population, I bet they could be the origin of many human myths. I wonder what was their reason.

Maybe It will help with Una’s trial, since both pretended to be humans.

Also, in TOS there was about an Immortal Human, maybe he was a Lanthanite and just didn’t know.

[–] lwaxana_katana@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I am unsure how Lanthanites can have a distinct accent if they spent centuries successfully blending in, but I agree that it's interesting.

[–] LibraryLass@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago

Structural differences in their larynx, tongue, or lips seem likely.

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[–] Mistymtn421@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Finally had time to watch it tonight and I thought it was great.

I feel like what seemed corny or off was on purpose. Spock is on a learning curve with his emotions/duty conundrum and we certainly felt that.

Looking forward to next week!

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[–] Osa-Eris-Xero512@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm only 14 minutes in, and I'm already way into this season.

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[–] astroturds@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God damn I enjoyed the shit out of that!

At first glance I was unsure about the new engineer but by the end of her first scene I loved her. I wish she was featured a bit more but I'm sure we will see more soon.

Spock is the man!

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Carol Kane seems like she's being set up as the central mystery or resolution of this season. Too many little nods that she is more than she seems, even when what she seems is already pretty fantastical.

Have we heard of the Lanthanites before? The concept of an entire race of "nearly immortal" aliens living on earth undetected until the 22nd century (starting when??) was a pretty serious infodump. I wonder if that's just worldbuilding or if it'll prove important later on.

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[–] HGoblin@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Have we ever heard of Lanthanites? Apparently they

spoilerlive such a long time they get bored and they are hiding on Earth in the 22nd century.

I wonder if they know about the El-Aurians or Q.

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[–] khaosworks@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do annotations for every episode on DaystromInstitute, noting references and so on. Do I post the one I’ve done for “The Broken Circle” here or wait for Sunday?

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[–] TheWorldSpins@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not bad, but felt very Discovery in tone and aesthetic. I'm hoping future episodes match season 1's vibe.

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[–] zogeral@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Quite enjoyable, although I agree with some other commenters that it wasn't the strongest premiere. I thought the green juice and whole Chapel/M'Benga plotline was particularly rough, though dealing with the PTSD could be interesting in the future. It just felt rather un-Star Trekky in an otherwise solid show.

I'm also slightly unsure about how far they are going in regards to Spocks journey. I did like that they had an in-universe fairly believable reason for it from last seasons episode with the Gorn. I like that the show has a consequence for Spock, and I certainly don't hate it but just a bit cautious and curious where it's heading.

Otherwise I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, even with so little of Pike. The other characters are very solid and I liked that they toned down some of the quips and such. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

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[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was that a TOS style California-class docked next to the Enterprise early on?

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[–] Corgana@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago

What a way to start the season! I love that they're leaning hard into the TOS vibe.

There's a lot to pick apart if you really wanted to, but frankly it's hard for me to get hung up on minutae when the characters and universe are so spot on. Some good starship porn in there too. What an adventure! Gene would be more than happy with this one I think.

[–] Dunewarriorz@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Fun episode, but bits and pieces always felt a little off. Pelia was fantastic - love seeing competent non-main-characters in any sort of fiction.

Chapel/Spock... ugh. Not so much.

Whats with the wierd "Crossfield" class?

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[–] Azfaa@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

WE ARE BACK!!!! :D

I feel like I have waited so long and it was worth it, while at first I wasn't bought entirely on the action, it really came together at the end.

I loved the entire part of Spock stealing the Enterprize for the first time of many and April's unintentional implications for the future. SNW keeps proving it has the Trek energy, yes it might stumble some, I can understand questions about magic steroids (it's a bit out there even for me but I am also surprised it took this long to have it, but maybe its not meant for combat actually but some medical thing?)

But it doesn't change that the quality of this show is so high, this really manages to capture the feelings of the older series, DS9 and TNG but also with a certain high quality to it.

Loved seeing the Crossfield get another showing and how the D7 has become the mainstay. I like that we get some more traditional trek ships out there. That feel like the older ones.

Klingon blood wine drinking with Spock was amazing.

I also loved Pellia and haven't heard of the lanthenians before but something about the half crazy old lady character is just amazing.

I laughed so much, felt so much heart warming. But then also feeling my heart ripped out with the memory to Nichelle and seeing that she has passed. I remember reading it but had kinda lost track of it.

I am so looking forward to more episodes of this <3

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[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

For me that was surprisingly good, by the end I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[–] bookish1303@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

Well here we go. Let’s try this out

[–] MagikarpeDiem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I understand if I get a slew of downvotes, but I thought that episode was pretty bad. The pacing was weird and many of the sequences involving the mining planet felt poorly written (what's with the Witcher potion?). I feel like I'm the only person not into the whole Spock/Chapel thing, so seeing that pushed harder was cringe for me.

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