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I'm simply asking this question because of Lemmygrad.ml existing, and that there isn't a far-right equivalent of it yet. If Lemmygrad has any standing for its right to exist under free speech, where is the line drawn for other extremist political ideologies? If Holodomor skepticism is allowed, then what stops Holocaust skepticism? (as it is generally accepted the Holodomor was man-made). I'm simply wondering what gives far-left politics a right to promote such extremist views in the Fediverse, when their far-right counterparts would be Defederated in minutes.

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[–] palitu@lemmy.perthchat.org 1 points 1 year ago

I guess there is nothing apart from people not wanting to hear a certain set of opinions and views. The mob speaks (as well as the instance admins), and those it speaks against gets defederated.

I really want to see a user set of instance blocking, so that I never see content from particular Instances. My common example is lemmynsfw.com should never be seen on... this... account

[–] Arcane_Trixster@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Just asking a question, huh? Second one of these threads I've seen in my feed today.

Neocons testing the waters, to see how far their hatespeech will get them.

[–] hawkwind@lemmy.management 1 points 1 year ago

Politically speaking, the lemmy/fediverse would make a great PolySci thesus. There is no practical universal governance other than sharing the ActivityPub protocol. It is an interesting experiment in how humans behave. Each instance is like a country.

[–] Rentlar@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

This reads like such flame-bait/rage-bait, sigh... but I will respond under the assumption you are a confused newbie to Lemmy and give you some slack.

Lemmy and many Fediverse apps are set up so that it is not possible to banish/censor an instance from the entire network, besides methods to take the server offline itself including DMCA/DDoS/lawsuits/government seizure etc., so lemmygrad will continue to "exist" just as much as exploding-heads, Gab, Truthsocial and other far-right sites will.

Keep in mind: Many major instances (including beehaw) are already de-federated from lemmygrad. Constant CCP and СССР propaganda gets tiring quickly.

As much as an instance owner is given a right to unfettered speech, they and other instande owners also have the right to control what speech from others they want on the platform. Being blunt here, right-wing instances being immediately de-federated is an indication that many instance owners don't want the diarrhea of extreme rhetoric pouring in, so the best course of action for those users would be to find their own toilet.

[–] CarlCook@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Do not tolerate the intolerant!

We should tolerate every ideology and political flavour as long as its supporters are not actively attacking or suppressing other views and especially targeting vulnerable people. The goal should be to create a welcoming place of free speech for all and this requires to eliminate those who do not support this goal or actively work against it - namely fascists (and that includes more than just the old and alt right).

Anti-fascism ist necessary action against those that claim freedom of speech but abuse it for ideological warfare with the ultimate goal of abolition of free speech.

[–] pneumapunk@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Isn't Truth Social (Trump's thing) technically part of the fediverse, since it runs on Mastodon? I don't know if they're a far-right equivalent of lemmygrad since I haven't spent time on either but it seems like a fair parallel.

Personally I'm not a fan of eager defederation. I'm skeptical of the benefits of deplatforming and I think that casual use of the banhammer, even if the subjects deserve it, is corrosive to our own ability to think clearly.

[–] plantstho@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Are you actually wondering out loud whether we should allow Holocaust denial here? You might be in the wrong place.

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