Nice writeup. Seconding not using Manjaro. If you want something Arch based, try EndeavourOS instead.
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Two votes for EndeavourOS, updated post.
Plus one here for EndeavourOS.
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Friends don't let friends run Manjaro. Endeavour is a great place to start.
Endeavour is great. Running that too. I sometimes think of distro hopping (nobara, cachyos?) but endeavour just checks all the boxes for me.
Great to hear, but I'd recommend against manjaro. While it appears to just be arch with an installer and some more preset, it has its own repos that are behind the arch repos. This causes a huge amount of issues that normal arch doesn't have.
While I haven't tried garuda yet and installed arch on my own, it seems like it actually does what people think manjaro does: Make arch easy and keep the benefits.
Garuda appears to have some security issues unfortunately, see here.
To quote:
Garuda: They use Chaotic-AUR which automatically and blindly compiles packages from the AUR. There is no verification process to make sure that the AUR packages don’t suffer from supply chain attacks.
Their complaint about chaotic is the exact same that is mentioned 4 paragraphs before as coming from AUR in general, and they also mention the same thing can happen with other distros / package managers... It all loops back around to not blindly trusting everything in the repos. Which loops around to not blindly trusting anything on the internet in general.
Also I'm pretty sure you can use Garuda and avoid chaotic and use standard AUR instead, if you for some reason trust AUR fully but don't trust chaotic at all. I'd have to double check that about system level packages, but it's definitely possible with anything you seek out to install after the initial install of the OS.
Ahh yes, the chaotic-AUR problem, luckly no one uses chaotic on endevour right? (͡•_ ͡• )
People often claim that Manjaro holds packages for a couple of weeks for "stability" but I've never seen the benefit. They tend to just update packages after Arch does and it doesn't seem like they do any particular stability testing that the Arch community hasn't done already.
They also tend to break the AUR occasionally for funsies, so that sucks.
EndeavourOS, Garuda, and any of the other Arch derivatives that use the Arch repos and drop some of their own tooling/customization on top should be a better experience for most.
New to Linux and chose arch? I know it’s got issues but isn’t Ubuntu still the stupid easy way to run Linux. Steam out of the box, no driver issues.
This may not be consensus but isn't Mint easier coming from Windows?
given the recent (? not sure, could already be a couple of months) reskin of Mint to be even more in line with Windows Icons and colors I second this
That was the consensus the last time I brought it up (in response to Windows 11 being so shitty). I asked if the transition would be smooth for my non-tech savvy family members. So far no problems; kids run Minecraft and Roblox just fine, Steam handles much of my games and my scanner and printer works, wife made the switch to Libre Office and doesn't miss Chrome. The only problem I have is getting a driver to work with my ancient Brother HL-5170DN that still is running like a tank for 20 years.
Edit: Had a job for a big print, got a driver to actually print proper, now it just duplicates everything, lol. I miss having projects like this since exiting the professional IT career.
All distro with a good installer using kde plasma, mate or something similar to windows are great, mint, endevour, Ubuntu or even mocaccinoOS. Driver issues should not be a thing for almost all distros, Debian or slack maybe but just becaus.
Anyway, OP mentioned it was not his first rodeo.
For me Arch was a way to go, because as I used it before - ~10 years ago. And it's philosophy is appealing to me.
I'd prefer plain Arch over Arch-based since the latter will exclude you from receiving any support from Arch forums.
EndeavourOS has a large community, you'll find plenty of help there while having an easier install and first time setup.
With archinstall being included by default on arch iso's idk if this is the case anymore. The arch install script also has good defaults
I use Arch for my daily, and I would highly recommend against it for new users. 99% of the time it's just fine. 1% of the time some edge case sneaks by and you update before a fix is pushed. In those cases, I've had installations be deeply broken, far beyond my expectations of normal users.
For actual recommendations, something Debian based for sure. Vanilla Debian, Mint, or Mint Debian edition. If you wanna live on the edge, Sid is rolling but in my experience was more stable than Arch.
I fired up Steam last night and was surprised how many games in my library just work, including AAA titles. Amazing.
I bought a hybrid AMD/Nvidia laptop in 2021, installed Arch, the Nvidia dkms driver and flatpak steam and everything I wanted to play just worked. Getting gaming up and running is so much easier now thanks to valve's work on proton.
Same experience on two more machines after.
arch linux is not what i'd recommend for new users. great distro, love pacman, but ubuntu will get you there just as fast and with less headaches. manjaro is an option if you're adamant about arch.
haven't had good luck w/ VR with valve index, still a lot of pain points.
Seriously. Op chose hard mode on their first try.
It wasn't my first try, I used arch before. And I would not recommend it to anyone without prior experience or at least software engineering related background.
I'd recommend straight arch over manjaro every time. There are better arch derivatives.
Embarrassing, but I never knew that you actually have to activate proton in the steam settings in order to install games which natively don't support Linux. This kept me from switching completely.
Now I use Fedora with KDE and can also run MS games like AoE without any problem. Even the performance is often a lot better for example in BG3.
To clarify: native Linux support means the game ships with Linux binaries. For non-native games (Windows only) you use Proton. (For some games the Windows version with Proton actually works better than the Linux native version)
The setting you are referring to enables Proton for all games, instead of the selection of games that have a predefined Proton version which has been tested by Valve.
Do you have a secondary monitor? How do you handle sleep? Using laptop? How do you close your lid and get everything to hibernate/sleep? Those are my biggest gripes right now
Two monitors do work (second display is my tv), I tried it couple of times - just worked,but maybe I need to retest.
Currently I have stationary pc. But ten years ago closing lid worked for me on laptop. I think arch wiki has good guidance about this topic. It was not a plug and play experience for sure.
To add some useful information. Forget about VR if you have a Radeon RX card, because a 1 year old bug still unsolved.
I have an RX 6800 XT and use SteamVR on Linux just fine. I wonder why I’ve never encountered that error.
It says that downgrading a lib resolves that issue, maybe that's why it's had less priority?
The problem solves reverting a commit and building Mesa with that change. If I do that I will have to rebuild Mesa everytime I want to update. That doesn't sound like a solution for me.
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Good notes, but man this could really use bullet points.
Which app are you on? I've used standard markdown list markup, like:
- One
- Two
- Three
Using boost here, the dots are visible
Sync for Lemmy app. As another said it looks like a bug. Sorry about that.
Your comment here too doesn't show as a list until I start composing a reply. Then it looks fine.
I can see the dashes used for bullet points but it shows as having no line breaks in between, so it's all a text blob.
Like - one - two - three -four
Looks like there is a markdown parsing issue on the client you are using. At least from what I can see.
I'm using Sync, I think I'll make a bug report yeah
I can see the dots on Connect.
Great to hear! Keep us updated with your journey
Linux as your home PC\laptop
Still getting used to Linux, eh?
You are not the ppl that calls just windows a PC are you? Cause I just refuse, my personal computer is my PC, and fuck Microsoft and they attempt to kidnap my PC
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Arch is a no, no for beginners and Wayland is already really good and getting better and better, on nvidia aswell
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