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For too long imo, piracy had become a "grab it all" environment. The old "Caring is Sharing" mantra seems to have disappeared. So maybe, this Lemmy could revert back 20-30 years to become a real sharing community. IDK.

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[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.fmhy.ml 48 points 1 year ago (14 children)

In a similar vein people on soulseek who have all their files locked unless you trade with them, particularly the ones who want gift vouchers and shit like that I feel goes against the community spirit of piracy as a whole. If I get hold of something rare or that has broken street date i'm excited to share it with others who may no be able to get it for whatever reason.

Really pisses me off scrolling through my search results seeing loads of lock symbols with user info listing demands that must be met for you to be oh so privaledged enough to receive a right to download from them. It goes against what I grew up knowing piracy to be, I'm guessing I am a similar age to you though.

And to all you soulseek users listing locked files with lists of demands to access them. Fuck you.

[–] chuuqo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have ~14k songs (320kbps mp3) on Nicotine+. Always happy to see people download them! If you're into electronic music, ChuuqoVN is the name.

[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll have a browse through what you have. If you want "real dubstep" then gimme a search "music4cheese"

[–] chuuqo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yessir, love me some 140. Added you to my buddy list. I'll check yours out when you come online.

[–] doolittle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's such a weird attitude to have. I LOVE when I see people have downloaded mp3s or comics off me. Makes me feel like I'm a better person having shared.

[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Same! I look through my uploaded list and read what other people are getting from me with a warm fuzzy feeling!

[–] Azzu@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago

I honestly never noticed it :D is there like a setting to turn off seeing those lock symbol people? I must have that on :D

[–] Arcaneslime@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah that is annoying as hell. Like I get it if it's just like "my files are private, I'll open them if you have shares" but that whole "I need X album FLAC and a $50 baskin robbins gift card and then I might share with you" shit is the lamest thing I've ever seen.

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[–] kaktus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they even legit? I always assume that's some kind of a scam. That they don't actually have the files, but generate them based on incoming searches to get people to pay them. Because no matter what you are looking for, somehow there is always this one guy who as everything... neatly sorted and locked.

But either way, they are scum and should be ignored.

[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Im pretty sure, at least in my case, they do have the files. The music I play is pretty damn niche so it wouldnt be worth it for someone to try and run a scam like that imo. Although for more mainstream stuff that could be a possibility, but then if it is more popular usually there are many people sharing it unlocked.

Fuck knows xD

[–] H_Interlinked@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Amen to locked out slsk "sharers". Always hated that, though it honestly feels less common than it did back at its peak popularity as a platform.

[–] ScratchySoft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

I used Soulseek for a while, though I eventually stopped because there wasn't anything interesting there for me. Just music. Music is cool, but I'm mainly looking for ROMs, and not just the stuff anyone can find in any No-Intro set within five seconds of googling.

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[–] Floofah@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Have been doing this stuff for more years than most of you have been alive, ha,ha!!

In the early days of torrents, seeding was a key feature to keep the post alive. But now it seems too many just want to download and fuck off, with absolutely no seeding back. Why is that? They just download something, then it’s fuck off to anyone else who might want to download it?

To me the basic spirit of sharing has gone. Maybe I’m just an old cunt now, but to me it’s a real shame.

[–] WillyWanker69@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is because many countries only have laws that prevent providing pirated content and not downloading it. This means downloading content is almost never illegal, but providing it(seeding) is.

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[–] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I loved having 20 instances of the original torrent client running killing my connection for some sweet anime.

Nah, the spirit left a long time ago, Leechers now run the high seas for sure.

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[–] hawkwind@lemmy.management 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The thing with piracy these days is there is a huge fear of legal burden AND extreme protectiveness to prevent takedowns. It's the same thing as being a gang member and suspicious of new blood being undercover cops. Once you find actual piracy that works, the last thing you want to do is post publicly about it!

[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago

First rule of Piracy Club

[–] ScratchySoft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What are new people who actually aren't cops supposed to do?

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[–] Zeus@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

sharing is caring... ...seed your torrents button

another, for those who use 88x31 buttonspiracy now! button

[–] heliumlake@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I miss these old 90s style buttons on websites. A much simpler time...

God, so do I. Pre-911, pre-dotcom-bubble, pre-Bush... So much to pine for in the 90s.

[–] Zeus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

may i introduce you to... neocities (other free site hosts are available,[^1] but neocities is very much based around the spirit of geocities/angelfire)

[^1]: i myself use github pages

[–] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because for years I’ve been told that “they” target the uploaders, not the downloaders for prosecution. So seeding was significantly riskier that just downloading with uploads disabled.

Anyway, now I’ve set up a paid VPN and cancelled most streaming services, and uploads are fully engaged.

[–] DigitalPhreaker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago (14 children)

for years I’ve been told that “they” target the uploaders, not the downloaders for prosecution.

Yep. Once the RIAA proved that suing individual pirates for ridiculous amounts of money over one song did nothing to stop piracy, they finally changed gears: go after the people leaking the albums, the original upload groups, etc.

Governments, watchdog groups, and industry "concerns" followed suit, so eventually everyone learned that if you weren't a part of a group, you were probably (reasonably) safe. Then they started monitoring swarms on public trackers and sending those DMCA notices en masse, but that again proved how ineffective those scare tactics were. Most people switched to private trackers to avoid that annoyance, and pirates pivoted yet again.

So seeding was significantly riskier that just downloading with uploads disabled.

Seeding wasn't the only risk. Just being in the swarm -- whether uploading or downloading -- is enough to trigger a DMCA complaint. And the way BitTorrent works, you're pretty much always seeding even if the file isn't done downloading, so downloading and not seeding wasn't enough.

VPNs are a great shield against those fishing complaints, but you wanna make sure to use one that has had to prove in court that they never keep logs. A lot of them say they don't keep logs, but happily and quietly comply to subpoenas with whatever they have on customers.

[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

undefined> Most people switched to private trackers to avoid that annoyance, and pirates pivoted yet again.

So, can you find more content on private trackers, then? If I search there will I finally be able to find Sudigadu with english subtitles?

[–] DigitalPhreaker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, can you find more content on private trackers, then?

Oh, yes. Between PassThePopcorn and BroadcasTheNet, I've never not found a movie or show I was looking for. It's not always a guarantee, especially for more niche movies/shows, but those two have never let me down.

For everything else, I usually use more general purpose trackers like TorrentLeech or AlphaRatio.

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[–] CCatMan@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there a guide on how to upload on Usenet ? Maybe I'm just being silly. ... Or am I 🤔

[–] Floofah@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some providers offer the ability to upload. That said, it is potentially a risky action and most would suggest that unless you are very sure about what you are doing, and take proper precautions, it is not worth the risk for the average pirate. Providers get a LOT of DMCA takedowns, so unless you have something really obscure that you feel would be worth uploading, it probably isn’t something to attempt. YMMV.

[–] CCatMan@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago
[–] vacuumflower@vlemmy.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As others have said, lack of privacy is what makes BitTorrent not the best tool.

Other things may be inconvenient (like good old XDCC or using Google Disk for piracy), or "invisible Joe" (like ed2k, gnutella and Usenet, due to all of these just not being sufficiently monitored by law enforcement or neighbors interested in your porn taste) cases.

And Freenet, I2P (with iMule and what else there is, there was some sharing thing similar to ed2k in experience), RetroShare are not sufficiently popular.

In general good things are not popular.

My point is, let's wait for Locutus and whether it succeeds in transforming the Web.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What is Locutus. Couldn't find anything of substance searching for it.

Edit: it helps if your autocorrect doesn't interfere... https://github.com/freenet/locutus

[–] Granixo@feddit.cl 4 points 1 year ago

Let's hope so :)

[–] bashfluff@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago

It's worth remembering that morality has little to do with it. Back then, sharing was simple and consequence-free. Now it's not. If you want to create a community like that, it needs to be a curated space where only people who are able to share can join.

[–] MrComradeTaco@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the fediverse is possible in any private company platform i don't think so.

[–] denemdenem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cool username. Didn't know custom fonts(?) were allowed

[–] jo1gi@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

It's not another font just other unicode characters. The problem is that many systems don't support it (Text to speech, some older software, etc.).

[–] Yasuke@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if this has a shot if we use something like lemmy. Doesn’t that mean there isn’t a a major company to answer to in the first place?

[–] aaronbieber@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but it doesn't mean it won't cause problems for our kind admin, Ernest. Eventually, someone will probably make it troublesome enough for him to reconsider.

[–] DarkTides@lemmy.fmhy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'd prefer it to be a resource educating and assisting people to the best options to go to than to actually be sharing direct file links or anything like that. There's other sites that are handling that side.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fully agree, even though Lemmy is decentralised, each instance is still hosted by a hosting provider and is subject to DMCA and other enforcement actions like any other website. That's why we don't allow specific file requests and direct downloads etc. If we went that route, it wouldn't be long before we were shut down, then have to start from scratch every few months, which wouldn't be sustainable.

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[–] elimardi@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I was not born 30 years ago, but I'd like to embrace more the "caring is sharing" mantra. I wonder what's your 'workflow'/management of your uploads to seed? as in it takes storage and so on, so what are your best practices folx?

[–] cyanarchy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

2.00 for anything I download and isn't broken or garbage

5.00 for anything small, popular, or that I'm passionate about

Probably going to bump that up higher for some things, it's been slow lately

I only recently got the ability to seed long-term and privately. I don't bother with private trackers and don't expect I ever will. That's partially because I don't care about new shows or movies, and partially because I don't like exclusionary communities. My setup is virtualized, not on dedicated hardware, so I don't have a lot of space to throw at this. I'm a small fish in a big pond and I focus on keeping alive things that I've enjoyed.

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[–] Floofah@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

A seedbox transformed torrenting for me, but now I only use Usenet for movies/tv and Mobilism & Anna’s Archive for mags and books.

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