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"It is undeniable that the intrinsics of Julian’s case are so shocking it is something one would expect from the worst dictatorships," Stella Assange says.

"A thin patina of ‘process’ cannot obscure the fact that he is facing 175 years for groundbreaking journalism, that the only agencies who will decide on the conditions and degree of isolation that he will be held in if he is sent to a US prison, pre- and post-trial, are the same agencies that were elaborating plans to kill him while he had political asylum at the embassy, that is to say, the CIA,“ she added.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The promise of WikiLeaks was exposure of wrongdoing, anywhere. Assange ran it as his personal score-settling service to help Russia.

Small man wants to run his own personal foreign policy he can rot in prison for all I care.

[–] 0x815@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@deegeese

The promise of WikiLeaks was exposure of wrongdoing, anywhere. Assange ran it as his personal score-settling service to help Russia.

The US war crimes in Iraq back then didn't help Russia as much as the Russian war crimes in Ukraine now don't help the US. Both are crimes against humanity. It is impossible that they 'help' anyone.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're referring to all the shenanigans before the 2016 election when they decided to release a bunch of hacked info on Dems while holding back anything critical of Republicams.

[–] donuts@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also while coordinating and conspiring with the Trump campaign on Twitter DMs.

In fact, "shenanigans" is far too soft a word for what they did.

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

There are no heroes in this story, only villains.

[–] liv@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

his own personal foreign policy

Assange is an Australian.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, so why was he trying to influence the US Presidential election through selective leaking?

Fuck Assange with a rusty spoon.

[–] liv@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm just pointing out that he doesn't have any more allegiance to US foriegn policy than any other non-American has.

If you have a problem with people trying to influence election results in other people's countries, then you should have just as big a problem with the CIA as you have with Assange.

I'm far from being a fan of his but I am a fan of human rights and this whole thing has been a travesty. And something I notice a lot is the sentiment that Assange should have been loyal to US interests.

[–] pre 13 points 1 year ago

She's mostly right, other than that there never was any moral high-ground outside the propaganda of the western press. We have always been hypocritical on human rights and justifications for invasions.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The indictment is sealed as far as I know. But I think the question is did Assange help Chelsea Manning break into a US Government server to steal documents. If the jury says yes, he is then guilty of computer crimes and stealing US property. Yes, he would then go to jail. Too bad.

[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We’ve all (anyone with a soul, at least) accepted that Manning was right in leaking. Why are people so hellbent on prosecuting another person for the same moral act? Because he sucks? Come on.

[–] liv@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

It scares me how human rights goes out the window when it comes to people who are disliked.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Manning went to jail. She broke the law that's a fact. It is also a fact that there is an indictment waiting for Assange. Are we a nation of laws or just feelings on what's right?

[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Wrong. It is possible to think that someone did the right thing by breaking the law, that does not mean they are not guilty. The question is should they be punished, and to what degree not "lets pretend this did not happen".

It is quite possible that the answer the the "to what degree" question is Zero even if found guilty.

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Oh so you're a reductionist