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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Damn, this sucks. I fled Google for Proton and use it for email, files, and my own domain email.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 37 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

I wonder what is the percentage of nuts tech ceos.

Seems to be abnormally high

[–] ChaoticEntropy 4 points 3 hours ago

Good or bad, sane or nuts, at a certain point you just end up being utterly out of touch with daily reality.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Once you start getting real money, you start noticing how much is going to taxes.

Even though the net income is more money than you've ever seen in your life, and the meagre fraction that is going to welfare is abysmally small, yet was a true lifeline to you when you needed it mere weeks ago... it still makes your blood boil knowing you're not getting everything you feel you deserve.

Imagine that amplified x 10, and you can see how a CEO might feel that they're throwing tens of thousands a month on what they feel are undeserving recipients. All they see are the zeroes, not the percentage.

TL;DR - we all inhabit the same planet, but we live in different worlds.

[–] Metju@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently, I'm a minority then. I do not earn "much" in the sens of making billions on the backs of spaghetti-monster-knows-how-many-ppl, but I make enough to comfortably get by, save sth, and donate money to charity (not to get tax exempt, mind ya).

Then again - EU represent, this might skew things a bit

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago

I think it's just really rich people, but tech CEOs are in this terminally online culture so not only does it all end up out there but they seem to feed off each other and try to bizarrely one up each other.

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[–] sakuragasaki46@feddit.it -2 points 1 hour ago

If for "little guys" Proton CEO intends minors, we are cooked 🤦

Also, top 10 anime plot twists

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 46 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

I see a lot of good discussion here. I've been on proton for years now, using my own domain. While true that Andy is one of 5 board members, and it's a nonprofit etc, these statements are raising hairs on my neck, personally.

Does anyone have a good guide on problems associated with self-hosting email?

[–] bobbyfiend@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

I don't think I do this like you're suggesting, but I have my email hosted at opalstack. I've been really happy with them. I don't have a server-side spam solution yet, though. I just set up spam rules on Thunderbird on my local machine.

[–] suckmyspez@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago

Setting up is a piece of cake but getting your emails through spam filters can be a pain.

Have you considered Tuta?

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 12 points 5 hours ago

I don't know any guide, but deliverability is the biggest concern and it may also not be fully under control. Sometimes IP blocks get blacklisted or deranked and your emails end in spam, and you might not even know that.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 31 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

Another tech dipshit, whose wealth allows him to exist outside the realm of reality, bending the knee to an anti-democratic felon rapist so he can get some handouts.

Pathetic loser.

Growing up, if you had told me half or more of America would end up elevating a rapist to the presidency and prostrating themselves at his feet, I'd have laughed you out of the room. This nation has sunk LOW.

NordVPN is superior in every way. If you have ProtonVPN, dump it and swap to Nord.

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Growing up, if you had told me half or more of America would end up elevating a rapist to the presidency and prostrating themselves at his feet, I'd have laughed you out of the room. This nation has sunk LOW.

Bill Clinton won reelection. Now, granted, he was not Trump levels, he was a piece of shit who at the very least abused his role and power over women. Now, even after me too, he's a beloved elder statesman. Just saying, the nation has sunk lower, but I don't know that's a lot lower than where we were when we were kids.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

In a pre-me too world, I think Clinton's sexual abuse scandal was far too abstract for people to really grasp. I'm not saying it was okay, I'm just saying I understand it not affecting things. But I would've hoped we'd be correcting ourselves over time, not getting worse.

[–] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

he was a piece of shit who at the very least abused his role and power over women.

And bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Libya to distract people from the fact he couldnt keep it in his pants

[–] AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 14 points 4 hours ago

FYI, Nord no longer allows port forwarding as of a couple years ago. Proton is one of the few providers who still have that feature.

Compare:

https://support.nordvpn.com/hc/en-us/articles/19483392309649-Does-NordVPN-offer-port-forwarding

https://protonvpn.com/support/port-forwarding

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[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 30 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

I wouldn’t say he embraced Trump, I’d say he is pro-breaking big tech, since that would probably help Proton.

Bernie Sanders even came out and said “hey, if Trump wants to cap credit card interest rates, I’m with him on that.”

Trump says a lot of shit to appeal to working class people. I don’t disagree with reminding him of what he said and holding him to those things, if he’s now going to be president.

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 12 points 5 hours ago

It's not even a matter of "thinking" that, it's basically what he said. All his "siding" is in the context of antitrust and breaking tech monopolies. I don't think trump will do much in this space, but dems didn't do much either. If Trump will (the election is over anyway, so we are not discussing of choosing trump for this) it's good, even if it comes from the Trump administration.

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[–] plixel@programming.dev 43 points 7 hours ago (9 children)

I literally just switched over from Google a few months ago and finally got all settled in. Just great. Does anyone know of any good alternative? I know Tuta exists, are there other options?

[–] raqqed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago

posteo: https://posteo.de/en I am using their service since roughly 10 years and am completely satisfied :)

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

FWIW if you switched once then next switch is RADICALLY easier.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

Well, switching from Proton was more painful for me, at least on a free account, as it won't gel with a desktop client like Thunderbird or Outlook, and last I checked, didn't allow email forwarding.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 18 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a stretch & honestly not worth abandoning proton because of this. Don't just abandon a good FOSS/Privacy project just because of a CEO's (of a frickin Non-Profit) statements, you're too busy arguing & not getting things done Have some nuance guys

Could be 1000+ IQ chess move in disguise, appeal to Trump's ego & get him to make trouble for big-tech

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Nah he can go fuck himself. Just like someone sucking up to any other fascist dictator.

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Hypothetically, if Hitler saved a child from being hit by a car would you publicly sing Hitlers praises and be happy to make positive quotes about it?

Does being on the right side of a single issue negate everything else?

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[–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 86 points 8 hours ago (10 children)

The official @protonprivacy@mastodon.social account replied and doubled down

protonprivacy@mastodon.social - @jonah

Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.

Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.

At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

1/2

protonprivacy@mastodon.social - @jonah By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.

Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.

Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

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(Less importantly, my response)

[–] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 76 points 7 hours ago (8 children)

So sounds like their main concern is addressing the abuses of the FAANG monopolies, and only a Republican has talked to them about it.

I guess that is understandable in that very narrow lens, but it's a bit laughable considering how all the big tech companies are also cozying up to the Trump administration. All this has done for me is make me wary of anything Proton does now.

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[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

These fuckers act like they've never heard of Lina Khan. Let's see if Republicans try to replace her with someone with a stronger track record. Or, if they're so serious about tech competition maybe they'll get on board with net neutrality.

And look, I actually like Gail Slater (the Trump nominee that kicked off this thread). She's got some bona fides, and I welcome Republicans taking antitrust more seriously, and rolling back the damage done by Robert Bork and his adherents (including and probably most significantly Ronald Reagan).

But to pretend that Democrats are less serious about antitrust than Republicans ignores the huge moves that the Biden administration have made in this area, including outside of big tech.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 30 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What's that, Lassie? Another platform that's not self hosted outing themselves as a chud? Well, I never!

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