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So all we need to do is find a way to put people in prison!

Win-win!

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

Yup and Trump will do this to illegals.. Welcome to the concentration camps

[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Thats disturbing. I have no words..

[–] pappabosley@lemm.ee 24 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

A large force of inexperienced indentured servants fighting the blaze, yet so much coverage about the horror of a handful of female hires.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 16 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

A lot of them are experienced though. They’ve been using prison labor for wildfire fighting for years.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 21 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe they should pay them the real wage the other firefighters get then? I'm cool with them working but not with them being taken advantage of. That lowers the salary of every fire fighter not just the prisoners. That means a real firefighter is out of a job if a slave can be forced to do it.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

If they get wages then they'd be able to build a better life after being paroled and they wouldn't be getting sent back to prison on parole violations. So the system would lose its "human capital"......... it's sad. Never go to prison, especially not the first time.

[–] shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 17 hours ago

That means a real firefighter is out of a job if a slave can be forced to do it.

Β‘Not if you commit arson!

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 33 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Important to add, once freed they will be ineligible to take a job as a firefighter in California.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 25 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Umm

The website for this program states the exact opposite

https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/facility-locator/conservation-camps/faq-conservation-fire-camp-program/

Yes. A felony conviction does not disqualify employment with CAL FIRE. Many former camp firefighters go on to gain employment with CAL FIRE, the United States Forest Service and interagency hotshot crews.

CAL FIRE, California Conservation Corps (CCC), and CDCR, in partnership with the Anti-Recidivism Coalition (ARC), developed an 18-month enhanced firefighter training and certification program at the Ventura Training Center (VTC), located in Ventura County.

The VTC trains formerly-incarcerated people on parole who have recently been part of a trained firefighting workforce housed in fire camps or institutional firehouses operated by CAL FIRE and CDCR. Members of the CCC are also eligible to participate. VTC cadets receive additional rehabilitation and job training skills to help them be more successful after completion of the program. Cadets who complete the program are qualified to apply for entry-level firefighting jobs with local, state, and federal firefighting agencies.

For more information, visit the Ventura Training Center (VTC) webpage.

[–] erev@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

To my knowledge, this was only implemented recently and due to state budget cuts to firefighting services, fire departments in California are understaffed. Ex convicts can work as firefighters now, but it's unlikely they'll be able to do so. And as I said, this was only implemented recently so for many years they couldn't. And hiring culture takes time to change.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

That's the first sensible advocacy point I've seen sense I started reading these threads. It really doesn't make sense to assign prisoners to jobs they're legally barred from.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 15 points 18 hours ago

Same with immigrants

[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What is this...some kind of Suicide Squad?

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

The Inflammable Basterds.

[–] goldenex@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago

Slavery live and alive

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ah yes, California's penal legion of ~~slaves~~ "indentured servants" that we uh... voted to keep around in the last election.

Man, CA politics are fucking bizarre. Sometimes the slam dunk no-brainer propositions fail and there never seems to be a really good reason why.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (35 children)

Money, and liberals.

California is liberal. Not left. Every once in a while some leftist proposition comes up that threatens money, and money always wins.

When they say liberals are wolves in sheep's clothing, this is kinda what they're talking about. They care, they really care about their fellow man, as far as their comfortable standard of living allows.

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[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Also keep in mind that they are getting charged by the day to be in prison and if ever released will owe a large bill. Usually this results in immediate bankruptcy which further increases chances of future incarceration. By design

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They're slaves, not incarcerated firefighters.

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[–] ThatKomputerKat@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think one of the absolute stupidest things about this when it comes up is that when these same people get let out of prison they can’t even get the job of fire fighter because of their criminal record.

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