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[–] Skunk@jlai.lu 32 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I'm so sorry for all those commenters having sad stories and being told to "man up". That's very sad

I might be wrong but I have a feeling that it is a very US influenced problem (so now a very English speaking country problem). Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm influenced because it is Internet and there's plenty of Americans and everything is written in English.

Being born in a French speaking culture, I don't feel that way. My friends don't, my non French speaking friends don't as well. Most men of my generation (millennial) that I have met could express emotions without much problems, and women would not react badly to it, but maybe I'm just lucky.

Of course, there's always some shitty people, some overly manly jerks or non caring women, but I would say that they represent less than 15% of the population I've met in my life (data source: My ass).

So, am I wrong ? Am I influenced by Internet ? How is it for German/Spanish/Portuguese/Italian/Japanese/Whatever cultures ?

And if I'm right, well that sucks. How can we help ?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think the stigmatisation of men showing emotions is exclusively Anglophone culture. I live in Ireland and there isn't really a stigma of men showing emotions because of public awareness campaign about mental health for both men and women. But like you said, I've met couple of overly manly men jerks and uncaring women, but they're the ones not worth your time and in tiny minority.

In any case, some cultures have antiquated machismo mindset which is sporadic across the world.

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[–] IlIllIIIllIlIlIIlI@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

I am from Spain. When I open to my ex when we were in the process of end our relationship she told me to stop to victimize myself. I think that the relationship started to fell down when I started to be myself in front of her (expressed doubts, weakness, expressing enjoy for things...).

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[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Things everyone must learn themselves because patriarchy instills in them the opposite:

  • Women are people
  • Men are human
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[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 92 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Wore nail polish at work this week, because I’m a bloke in his 40s who works in an office so fuck it, why not.

Our HR manager - a man in his 50s who fairly recently sent out an email reminding us to talk about our feelings to help our mental health - asked me (half jokingly) if I was “going through some life changes”

I will be when I find a better company to work for.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 101 points 3 days ago (4 children)

To be fair, that could have been a genuine attempt to reach out to you. Coming in with painted nails when they've never seen you present yourself that way could be interpreted as you going through some life changes, and maybe you want to talk about them given an opportunity?

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 57 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Who talks to hr out of their own volition anyway?

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[–] _lilith@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Cried over my dog dying at school once. Made me a target for physical violence for about 6 months after that. Vulnerability is for people you trust.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 34 points 3 days ago

Vulnerability is for people you trust.

And this is what needs to change. In order to trust someone, a level of vulnerability is required. We must demand that expression of emotion is not seen as vulnerability, but as a human need.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

I lost my little brother last year and I would say I already wasn't a very "manly" man before that but that put things into a new perspective. It was a horrible time but also one that showed me that I chose my friends and family very wisely.

[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 64 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I'm still really broken about the miscarriage a few years back and most of the response I've gotten from others has been in the form of violence.

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[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 58 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I have been dumped for not expressing emotion, and crying, due to tragic things happening.

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I guess I’ll share too.

Although I don’t actually cry that often, and will still tend to shut my self off and wallow when I start to feel down; which is something that happens intermittently several times a year where I just feel hopeless, unhappy, lacking purpose, and not really wanting to do life.

So when I’m in these moods my friends have realised the signs, mainly me being hard to reach and absent from gatherings etc. they will all reach out and make me leave the house and have a talk about how I’m feeling, have some hugs, and then just go to roasting each other. This helps massively as isolating makes me worse so being around friends and just being in the moment is a really good antidote for me.

I guess my point is that the men around me are a bit more accepting of mental health issues. It’s not like they’re all hipster kind of mates. I am unusual in that I’m a nerdy software developer that is also very street wise and has mates that are completely the opposite. Most are trades people, a few sell drugs, are handy with their hands etc. basically my friends are chavs, but they’re accepting and not what you would think.

Edit: I should add that we all range from 30-40 years old.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Fuck, i can't even cry when I need to.

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[–] clot27@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Pretty sad comment section, hope y'all get through it.

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