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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I think the problem is: what they call a "Tip" is more like a "Bid"/"Offer". People see "Tip" and thus believe its optional, I mean it technically is optional, but the base pay is like $2.50 so its customarily required. I think for even the shortest delivery of a place 10 minutes away with a 2 mile distance is supposed to tip at least $5. and if the delivery is done in 30 minutes, that's an effective wage of $15/hour, that is, if they get orders back-to-back.

Customers don't understand how this works and puts $0 as the "Tip", buts its really a "Bid", effectively making anyone who is willing to accept the order, to work below minimum wage. And also new drivers doesn't understand how this works and acceepts orders without a good enough "Bid", effectively working below minimum wage.

I mean, why even call it a "Tip" if its customarily required, just change the base pay to $7.50 (which I'm sure those companies will charge the customer for it, but anyways...). So for an order that takes 30 minutes, its an effective wage of $15/hour, assuming they get orders back-to-back. Much less confusion amongst both customers and drivers.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I think for even the shortest delivery of a place 10 minutes away with a 2 mile distance is supposed to tip at least $5. and if the delivery is done in 30 minutes, that’s an effective wage of $15/hour, that is, if they get orders back-to-back.

Since these shitty companies don't provide vehicles or gas money most of that $15 is going to vehicle costs.

When I delivered for a pizza place in the late 90s in a midwest college town with my own car I got 15-20 per hour between base pay, gas and car use subsidy, and tips. That business was 90% deliveries, so the delivery was baked into the cost.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Americans be crazy. I never tipped in my life and ain't about to start.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

why even call it a "Tip" if its customarily required,

Nice psyop there tbh... Why fuck over your worker when you can shift that blame on your idiot customers?

It is your fault Joe delivery guy doesn't get paid!!!!

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[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

“Minimum wage and the idea that hard work should lead to economic security, can be — and are being — destroyed by these A.I. systems.”

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not A.I, just a terrible system that incentivises (and even demands for public companies) abusive behaviour.

[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep, blaming it on A.I. is just an easy way for corporates to shift the blame to something they can't control. A.I. is just a tool, the people using it and HOW they use it are responsible for the outcome.

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[–] higgsboson@dubvee.org 6 points 1 week ago

Lol. AI has so very little to do with this. That's only mentioned because it's the latest bogeyman.

[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Buddy, I cant use that service in any good concience...

[–] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago
[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like you gotta go out of your way to make so little money doing this. If they actually did it correctly there would be no article to write. Not saying they would get rich but there's no way they did this honestly.

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