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[–] copygirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 181 points 3 days ago (42 children)

30% is the industry standard across the board, with the exception of Epic which takes 12%. However, Epic has already shown that it's ready to dump loads of money into store exclusivity deals and tons of free games, so I will argue it's for the sake of growing the number of users and developers using their platform.

But do they, or any other competitor or similar store, offer the same functionality as Steam? rtxn already mentioned some. And there's more. And then there's the fact that Valve is using all that money not only to stuff the pockets of alread rich people (not that Gabe isn't a multi-millionaire if not billionaire, idk), but actually puts it back into the industry: Their own store, Linux/Proton (you may not care, but Microsoft becoming a monopoly in PC gaming is no good), and hardware (with their Steam Deck handheld, and VR stuffs).

Steam might be the biggest player when it comes to storefronts, but it's because they've actually earned it. And they're not actively preventing other competitors from entering the scene (other than existing). In fact, they keep trying, and keep failing, and then going back to Steam.

I'm not opposed to more money going to developers, but let's not single out Steam, who (perhaps besides GOG? I am not familiar enough with it) is doing the most for users and develpers.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 88 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Epic is in stage 1 of enshittification. They will offer a great deal (at their economic expense) to capture users and providers.

[–] babybus@sh.itjust.works 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It isn't enshittification because they never had a high-quality product to offer.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Does this mean cheaper games on the Steam store? Might be good for indie developers, but I bet most publishers will pocket the difference.

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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

They can use alternative stores if they want. Its not our fault the alternatves bar gog are shit and anti consumer. Valve is the only one supporting linux so I'm buying my games there to support that effort.

Also steam has a lot more than just the store. The chats, the media sharing, the forums, cloud saves and input profiles. Epic can't even show you a list of games in your library when you log in. I claim the free games each week but ive never even bothered to play them as with steam I can just click play and get on with it. As a long time linux user I value the just works approach and the work that wine and valve have put in.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

itch.io isn't anti consumer! It's a good store. (Not a lot of big brand games there though.)

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 80 points 3 days ago (26 children)

My extremely Baby's First Monopoly take is that whatever your feelings about specific aspects of Steam's service, or Valve in general, no individual company should exert this much power over the fortunes and overall culture of an artform. As such, I welcome efforts such as Wolfire's to challenge Valve and Steam, even if I may not agree with the detail of the suit in question.

What a stupid take. Valve isn't doing anything anti competitive, they just provide an objectively better service which is why everyone uses it. Anyone can put their game up on Steam, Gog, Epic, Uplay, and Origin at the same time. Valve doesn't own the space, and tbh we're probably getting the best deal we can get with them being the top dog, cuz you know Microsoft and the like would never treat us that well.

The closest thing I can think of wrt competitive rules is their price parity rule, where if you sell your steam keys (note that. not epic or uplay, just steam.) yourself, the price can't be noticeably lower (or a sale can't happen) without a comparable discount/sale on Steam within a reasonable timeframe.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

lol, replace Valve with Apple and Steam with App Store and everyone would have a very different tone on here despite the fact that they both charge 30%.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 days ago (5 children)

one of those cares about its customers, another doesnt. But which is which?

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