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Bloated and complacent, Chrome might be on the path to playing the same role as IE was playing 15 years ago, shunned by developers and technologically inferior to other browsers.

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[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 69 points 1 week ago (2 children)

At the moment though, there is no single likely alternative to Chrome’s dominance. But perhaps that’s for the better.

First off, why is it for the better not having no alternative? Secondly Firefox IS an alternative to Chrome.

BTW, this Magic Lasso is an ad blocker for Safari.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm hoping this bit is what they meant

Maybe a collection of browsers, all supporting open web standards, with substantial, though not dominant marketshare is the answer.

Instead of having chrome replaced by some other browser and the cycle repeating, the author might want a fair balance of different browsers eating away at their market share?

I will still recommend Firefox to regular users, and Zen for users that want something new/different (Arc users for example)

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe they really was comparing the dominance position only, not being a usable alternative. Although Firefox does not work for everything and Chrome or other browsers are required instead (such as streaming with Xbox games in browser), so there is that. If we only speak about market dominance and the ability to change that, yes, then I agree that Firefox/Mozilla is not in a position to do that at the moment.

Firefox should be used alone for the fact that it has superior addon support for ad blockers. That's a real world difference and reason, not just some ideology (as it was it in the past for me).

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Firefox should be used alone for the fact that it has superior addon support for ad blockers. That’s a real world difference and reason, not just some ideology (as it was it in the past for me).

Agreed! Up till now, it was on par with chrome for functionality / user experience. Moving forward it will be better because it will still have proper ad-blockers

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

BTW, this Magic Lasso is an ad blocker for Safari.

Between this, and Magic Lasso quoting themselves, this blog post is really hard to take seriously

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

It is a PR article

Its like the Firefox Brave comparison from Mozilla

[–] ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People are only realizing this today?

[–] isgleas@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Definitely a la IE

[–] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Kinda fitting that Microsoft chose Chrome as the base for its Edge browser …

[–] shath@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

the reverse midas touch

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

Please. All of chromium is bad and should die.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Technologically inferior to other browsers? What other browsers? Firefox?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not to sound crazy but I have never heard of Magic lasso until today. Use Ublock origin on something Firefox based or go home.

They do have a point though

[–] _pi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is hilariously silly from a developer perspective because Safari exists. Safari is literally the bane of my existence in WebDev because it's usually the browser that does something weird and not according to standards (which is classically the IE problem). Apple WebKit has significantly deviated from KHTML/Blink in ways that are worse for developers. Chrome does inject defaults to standard interfaces to make websites "work better" where Firefox is much more strict about the standard.

To pretend that Chromium/Blink/V8 is worse than Firefox or any other competitor is just burying your head in the sand. Blink and V8 are extremely highly optimized and standards driven, there's a reason Node didn't choose SpiderMonkey. Dev Tools have significant difference in speed and usability, and I'm a Firefox daily driver and use it for development.

What Google is doing that's ridiculous and stupid is using it's weight to influence the design of Chromium such as the deprecation and removal of Manifest V2 to prevent adblockers under the guise of "safety" or whatever, as well as driving more telemetry and anti-features into the Chromium core product.

Also of course "MagicLasso" doesn't say Safari is the IE because it's a adblocker for Safari. lol

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

The chrome monopoly is evil, but this is just copium.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tomorrow a new block post: Magic Lasso suggests that Google might be the new AltaVista

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Next week:

Magic Lasso suggests it is the new Magic Lasso

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not a fair assessment. Chromium and Blink are still open source, cross platform and standards compliant. With IE not only it was closed source but the Mac OS and UNIX ports had a different rendering engine with different behaviour and bugs.

I personally do dislike Google, but that's another topic.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Chromium does do the EEE from Microsoft. (Embrace, extend, extinguish) Last time I checked web Bluetooth and web USB were Chromium only because they aren't standard.

Also Chromium often writes the standard since they control the browser. Jpeg XL and Mv3 ring a bell?

I don't think it is quite fair to call them IE but Chromium isn't good

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 week ago

It is more that both browsers are by their respective companies to create the Internet they want.

IE intentionally gimped higher level browser usage as a way to defend the Windows monopoly. Web apps in IE would never be developed to the quality they could compete against natively run programs in Windows.

Chromium works to keep the Internet open and platform agnostic, but keeps tracking and cookies because Google makes money on the Internet by serving ads online.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

standards compliant