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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] Chriszz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (37 children)

Who’s going to take care of you?

Are we owed anything simply by being born?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

In actual civilization, yes, we are.

Basic accommodations are a human right according to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Jesus had a few things to say about feeding the hungry, but Paul didn't fully agree.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You think you should not work for a living?

[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago (23 children)

The logical conclusion of

you should have to work (to make money, transactionally, anything not valued by capitalism and rich people doesn't even count, if you don't or can't fit this model it doesnt count) to make a living

is that

if you don't work (with the previous very large caveats for what counts as 'work'), you deserve to suffer and die

A lot of people don't think about the implications of that statement when they make it, but that is the logical end point. My experience is that most people - at least if they aren't stressed from the existing model - absolutely want to do things, often sharing them for free, without coercion.

But even if not, do you think people should be miserable and die if they can't or even won't "work for a living" (for a very particular narrow definition of work that can gain you money under the current system, when stuff created and donated is often more valuable than things payed for due to lack of perverse incentives - e.g. FOSS ^.^).

I'm not even starting on how the current model of labour provides perverse anti-automation incentives. Automation should be liberating, but the way our society values people based on labour (e.g. Protestant Work Ethic) actively forces people (and the non-capitalist class as a whole) to avoid tools or processes that should improve our collective lives :/ - imo this is one of the most fucked up things about capitalism.

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[–] uis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

When current amount of automation and efficiency? Yes.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

0Nobody wants to toil. The profits funnel directly to owner pockets who do next to nothing to operate the company.

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