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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 202 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It is a fantastically useful material, except for all the mesothelioma.

[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 96 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Seriously, except for the horrific issues with the stuff, it would be an essential material for various applications.

Its resistance to fire, heat transfer, etc would do wonders for insulation and construction.

[–] degen@midwest.social 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Makes me wonder if it could be treated in some way to make it not-so-inhalable. Though maybe we have better synthetic alternatives by now.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 month ago (5 children)

As I've understood it, the problem is primarily for the people having to manufacture products using it, and at rest it's supposed to be inert.

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Except that people don't always recognize it and end up drilling holes in it or sawing through it

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't forget about when it's time to un-make it.

Tearing down old building or tiles containing asbestos is also a huge issue.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 16 points 1 month ago (7 children)

So many people were exposed to asbestos dust in New York when the world trade centre towers were destroyed by terrorists

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[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s supposed to be it tends to get brittle and fracture creating airborne shards that you can breath in but your body can’t break down and that continuously damages the cells leading to cancer.

https://youtu.be/9ZIxGVJadyk?t=143

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Doesn't burn, really hard to wear out, you can just dig it out of the ground, easy to shape and repair.

Except it kills people, and it hurts the whole time they're dying.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Mother Gaia does a little trolling

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[–] Hazmatastic@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"If you or a loved one have been diagnosed with mesothelioma, you may be entitled to compensation..."

[–] psud@aussie.zone 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

We are in Australia. The company that mined the stuff was found negligent as they kept selling it for decades after they knew it was deadly dangerous

I also hear that so many times thanks to one of the Brain Blaze (on YouTube) editors

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That and lead in paint and gasoline all worked amazingly.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Lead in gasoline was a stop-gap solution. If I remember correctly , it was added because we didn't have the technology at the time to refine gas sufficiently to get the octane levels necessary to prevent pre-ignition of fuel (which causes rod knock) at a reasonable cost. Tetraethyl lead effectively increased the octane level/resistance to pre-ignition. As a side benefit, the lead slightly lubricated the valves and valve seats so that they lasted for tens of thousands of miles, instead of needing to be reground every few thousand miles.

It was a stupid stop-gap though, esp. since the dangers of lead were well known by then.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 121 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I had to reinsulate my attic a few years ago and I found about five different types of insulation up there (I have an old house) ... I had to do a bunch of research on this stuff and figure out what I had ... thankfully I was ok but I found this in my search online

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

Oh my god. Blue asbestos is the worst kind, or best if mesothelioma is your thing. Every single one of the people in that picture died from pulmonary issues.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

My grandparents old farm had an asbestos carpet under their current carpet. I'm very very happy I was around to spot that, and for having audited a lot of abatement companies.

It also had asbestos roofing, but at least we weren't about to rip that up by hand

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But like, why asbestos?

Why can't they shovel sand or dirt or something?

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

To make people believe it was safe. They knew it wasn't, so they manipulated public opinion with marketing stunts.

"Of course it's safe! Look how safe it is! It's fun for the whole family! What do you think we are, monsters?"

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 84 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Treat your taste kindly with KENT, the cigarette with the NEW Micronite filter!

^^Micronite ^^is ^^asbestos.

[–] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Oh oh, I've got one too. It's not containing Asbestos but Thorium (or Radium respectively) tho.

"Doramad radioactive toothpaste"

"Creates natural freshness in the mouth!"

"Special biological healing effects by radium rays. A thousand times medically prescribed and recommended."

"What does Doramad do? Through its radioactivity, it increases the defenses of teeth and gums. The cells are charged with a new vigorous life energy, which inhibits bacteria in their destructive ability. Hence the exquisite prevention and healing effect on gum diseases. Polishes enamel to the softest shiny white. Prevents tartar approach. Good foam, new taste, pleasant, mild and refreshing. Use extensively."

Quick disclaimer: The last two quotes can be found on Wikipedia but they are not backed up with sources.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And I thought Alex Jones' colloidal silver was insane

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[–] 42yeah@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Aw fuck, I knew I remembered that shit from childhood.

[–] VonCesaw@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Something something you may be entitled to compensation

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 62 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They're going to say the same about plastic

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] flo@infosec.pub 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Plastic is not very reactive. This property makes it generally not directly harmful to organic health, but also notoriously slow to decompose, causing huge amounts of pollution. I think it's misleading to compare it to asbestos.

[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

From what I gather, asbestos is also very stable and not reactive. Asbestosis is caused by tiny fibers physically tearing your lungs.

It's unlikely that plastic is as dangerous (we'd seen it by now) but its buildup can likewise cause some condition.

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[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 55 points 1 month ago (1 children)

God: "I'll make a wonder material. Fire proof. Strong. Insulating. Just dig it up from the ground. Common a fuck. Waterproof."

"Then they can all get cancer the cunts"

"Okay I'm done shit posting for now. Where's that big tittie blonde gone"

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My dad was a contractor and he had a big sheet of it in the garage that was leftover from some job. It looked kind of like a sheet of drywall, but was grey and rougher. I used to take it into the back yard with a little blow torch and and lay on it while I melted metal things. I was probably ten to twelve at the time.

It was a different time.

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm pretty sure we could go back to using it, with more precautions in place, better binders, etc. Hell, it's still used in many parts of the world, and it occurs naturally all over the fucking place. But, alas, lawyers would have to stop salivating at every mention of the word.

In geoscience, we started using the word asbestoform to describe minerals with fibrous habits so we don't get lawyers showing up to destroy all of our rock samples and turn every geoscience facility into a superfund site.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I'm pretty sure we could go back to using it, with more precautions in place, better binders, etc. Hell, it's still used in many parts

Is there a way to keep it inert when the next homeowner starts tearing down drywall and drilling holes in stuff?

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[–] NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee 49 points 1 month ago

"Asbestos was first synthesized by the master magi Mesothelioma. He was looking for a way to slowly poison the local villages without easy detection, and ended up creating one of the most common robe linings found today.

Mesothelioma is remembered long after his passing, though not fondly. If you, or a loved one, has been harmed by the creations of Dark Lord Mesothelioma, Sending us today..."

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Stupid people used asbestos. We made ourselves part plastic!

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

Asbestos generation laughing at the Romans and their use of lead

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Here goes the microplastic generation

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[–] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 25 points 1 month ago (6 children)

my garage, the old fence, and a good chunk of my house is asbestos.

They've been standing 60 years and you wouldn't know it.

Damn shame we can't use the material. Proof god hates us.

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[–] captnanonymous@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

magic population control

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