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To make solar power viable, we need a solution for overnight energy storage.

Batteries are complicated.

Do you know what isn't? Water go up. stonks-up

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[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

Can work if the environment is good for it, has the same ecological and geological problems. Artificial water towers would be quite a big project maybe?

[–] Weedian@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Make a 2 tier damn where the second hydro plant powers a pump to make the water go all the way to the top

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

I'm not following.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

There's no such thing as free energy; losses due to friction would make this less efficient than the one-tier system

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What about a weight and a skyscraper?

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] PaX@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Freight elevator shaft (boring, no one uses anymore), biiiiiiigggg grand piano, cartoon cat on massive, convoluted, downward-sloping treadmill

Don't worry he likes it :3

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Will his teeth turn into piano keys following the imminent collision? What song will they play?

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can't play ragtime on piano teeth anymore, because of woke

[–] PaX@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Unsure of the details, still waiting for my grant to get approved

Ideally we would avoid collisions cuz its unpleasant for everyone involved, especially the cat

Would set it up at the end so he narrowly escapes

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It seems like you'd lose a fair bit of energy from powering the pump and from the turbine not capturing 100% but I don't actually know how it compares to other types of energy storage. To me it seems like you're probably better off heating something up, like turning that pool of water into steam, or finding a material that can absorb a lot of heat but I have no actual data on that.

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

You're talking about Thermal Storage, indeed a complex and costly field in the research for out-of-optimal conditions for electricity production I.e. nighttime for solar power

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[–] pooh@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think hydro power storage is a good idea where it can be done (and especially where you have existing hydro power), but most places don't have a giant reservoir nearby that could be used for this purpose. Something that I think could be a better option for widespread grid storage are flow batteries. These work by basically pumping an electrolyte solution back and forth across a membrane to store or discharge energy. They aren't as energy dense as lithium batteries, but they have some advantages like being able to be used indefinitely without storage capacity degradation (though you do have to do upkeep on the pumps and whatever else). They're already used in places like hospitals and for grid storage in China. These current flow batteries use vanadium, but there's research being done on flow batteries that use iron instead, which is cheap and abundant in comparison. Short video on that: https://youtu.be/mu6mZZuPdpI

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The storage and generating capacity is much less, but flow batteries are still good.

You don't necessarily need a giant reservior, you can flood old mining sites like this - https://naif.gov.au/our-projects/genex-kidston-pumped-hydro-storage-project/

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[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago
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[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Probably a way to make wind and solar more viable.

Regardless, the bulk of what will allow us to have a civilization powered by renewables is going to be cutting down consumption (and staggering it with a smart grid): not driving cars, arranging and insulating buildings so that they don't lose as much of their temperature differential to the outside (and also don't need cars to get around), making things that are designed to be repaired instead of replaced, using direct combustion for heat, and human-power wherever feasible.

In short, concentrating most energy consumption at point-of-use for better efficiency and less materials, and keeping the remainder direct and human-scaled.

And imho it is still going to make more sense to fill in the gaps for the base load with biomass from coppiced trees.

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