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"... allegations have now been made by Elizondo in a shocking new book, Imminent – Inside The Pentagon’s Hunt For UFOs. It’s a book that has been hailed by some as all the more significant because Elizondo isn’t some crackpot amateur UFO sleuth but the former military intelligence officer who actually led that hunt.

The 52-year-old claims to be the former head of the US Defence Department’s shadowy Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).

And he would like us to know that he didn’t start seeing those small green luminous balls until after he went to work for the AATIP and recognised them for one of the most common types of UFO – or Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) – that are reported.

In his mind, it could hardly have been a coincidence. Some of his colleagues had reported similar sightings where they lived. Was some ‘more advanced intelligence’ checking out the humans who were investigating them, Elizondo wondered. Inevitably, his book has sent ructions through a UFO world that has spent decades fighting desperately to be taken seriously. He ticks all the boxes in terms of being a ‘credible witness’.

He had top security clearance and worked for a secret US government UFO investigation unit for seven years. Elizondo claims the evidence for extraterrestrials is hiding in plain sight, here on Earth.

But he says it is being withheld from us by obstructive Pentagon officials who fear disclosure will cause mass panic. He alleges that clear footage – unveiled a few years ago – of UFOs captured by US fighter pilots, proves that highly advanced spacecraft have been buzzing us for decades. And even worse, our relatively feeble defences are powerless to stop them.

‘These craft are not made by humans,’ Elizondo boldly and bluntly states.

‘Humanity is in fact not the only intelligent life in the universe, and not the alpha species.’

These UFO ‘craft’ have been operating with ‘complete impunity all over the world since at least the Second World War’, he insists, and have the ability ‘to move in ways that defy our knowledge of physics... within air, water and space’.

UFOs, he intones, present ‘at best, a very serious national security issue, and at worst, the possibility of an existential threat to humanity’. To put it mildly, it sounds like the sort of issue someone should have mentioned some time ago. No one has, he says, because a secret cabal of US government officials and major defence contractors have been retrieving the UFOs and their alien occupants since 1947 and hiding them away..."

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[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean tho have you seen the videos they released and said "yeah we dunno what this is" and people with the most experience with flying planes in the same videos say this defies our understanding of technological limits.

Not really a trust me bro, more of a open your eyes

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

Alternative eye opener.

I believe the pilots and some of the people who came forward. There is something occurring and it defies our understanding.

I also think Elizondo does have insider knowledge.

What i don’t belief is that he is no longer employed by the intelligence agencies to misinform and delay actual disclosure.

Listen to what he says but take everything with a grain of salt.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We can't even imagine the tech required for an alien species to reach us.

All science today says FTL is practically impossible, we're that far away from what these "aliens" supposedly can do.

How the hell would we ever see them?

Nah, anything like this is either some natural phenomenon or black development operations.

Just read about the tech in a Minute man missile, from 1962. This is what black operations were doing 60 years ago.

[–] gytrash 2 points 2 months ago

The last bit of the article (written by David Clarke I think) is pretty level-headed:-

"So should we all immediately drop what we’re doing and head to the hills?

Perhaps not just yet. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and it remains the case that senior US ‘whistleblowers’ have been making similar allegations for decades but never managed to back them up with proof, asking us instead to believe their incredible stories based on trust in their credibility.

When pressed to produce evidence for their fabulous stories they often fall back on security oaths that prevent them from telling us what they know – or threats from the ‘Men In Black’.

Elizondo, who certainly doesn’t back his claims with definitive evidence, has already been proven to be unreliable – he is on record as promising that official disclosure about the existence of UFOs was imminent way back in 2018.

In Britain, Nick Pope, who worked for the MoD’s UFO desk for three years, broke ranks in 1996 to proclaim that ‘extraterrestrial spacecraft are visiting Earth and that something should be done about it urgently’. Much like Elizondo, Pope claimed to have seen evidence in then secret files that convinced him that something bizarre, and potentially hostile, was visiting us.

But when in 2008 the MoD began to release those files, the ‘evidence’ was conspicuous by its absence.

Critics have noted that for a man who should know he has a struggle on his hands to be taken seriously, Elizondo hardly does his credibility any favours when he admits to some deeply weird beliefs that sometimes veer into the supernatural.

As well as his mention of the ominous floating green balls that he claims appeared on and off for seven years, he describes working telepathically with colleagues in so-called ‘group remote viewing’ to disturb the dreams of a terrorist thousands of miles away.

He also alludes to the idea that aliens are possibly angels or demons visiting Earth, and claims his former boss at the Defence Intelligence Agency – who he does not name – believed UFOs didn’t need further investigation as they were ‘obviously’ the work of the Devil.

Sceptic Mick West, who specialises in analysis of UFO videos, told the Mail that Elizondo’s bizarre anecdotes ‘suggests that he really believes a wide variety of unusual things that deeply involve a supernatural interpretation of reality not yet based on any verifiable facts’.

So are those who stalk the corridors of power – even in the West’s most powerful defence and intelligence agencies – just as prone as the man in the street to being gullible about flying saucers and little green men?

Without concrete proof – the ‘smoking gun’ that remains elusive in the UFO world – it seems that might well be the case.

After all, even Air Chief Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding, who led the RAF to victory in the Battle of Britain, believed in fairies and insisted that UFOs came from Mars and Venus. It looks like we can wait a little longer before we press the ‘Invasion Earth’ panic button."

[–] twinnie 2 points 2 months ago

As soon as someone mentions 1947 they lose all credibility to me. Does anyone still believe that was a UFO?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

For me, this is the smoking gun:

Here is a shot of one of the objects released by the DoD a few years back:

Here's a close up from a photo taken outside McMinnville, Oregon in 1950:

[–] gytrash 0 points 2 months ago

Link to non-paywalled version of the article: https://archive.ph/Tm728