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Spanish football federation threatens to sue player Jenni Hermoso over kiss ‘lies’ (www.theguardian.com)
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In a statement, the federation said that it would take the “necessary legal action” and told the female players that “playing for the national team is an obligation on any member of the federation called upon to do so”.

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[–] 0x815@feddit.de 70 points 1 year ago

Spain striker Borja Iglesias steps down from Spain's (male) national team after Rubiales’ refusal to resign

Real Betis striker Borja Iglesias has announced his intention to step down from the Spanish national soccer team, following statements made by Spanish Football Federation president Luis Rubiales and his refusal to resign in the wake of the scandal caused by a non-consensual kiss with midfielder Jenni Hermoso after the victory of the women’s team at the 2023 World Cup. “I am sad and disappointed,” Iglesias said, while declaring solidarity with his “teammate” Hermoso.

[–] UpperBroccoli@feddit.de 63 points 1 year ago

Un-fucking-believable. Time to fire everyone in any leedership capacity and start from scratch with people who are not caricatures of mid 20th century machoism.

[–] sculd@beehaw.org 50 points 1 year ago

Insanity.

If he resigned he might still save himself from public humiliation. Now everyone is going to see the misogyny and understand the sexist attitude in some part of Spain.

[–] _xDEADBEEF@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago

Damn. He didn't double down. He triple downed.

:popcorn:

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 34 points 1 year ago

"How to escalate a situation, for Dummies"

[–] 0x815@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

Fifa suspends Luis Rubiales from all football-related activity over Hermoso kiss

A Fifa statement said: “The chairman of the Fifa Disciplinary Committee, Jorge Ivan Palacio (Colombia), in use of the powers granted by article 51 of the Fifa Disciplinary Code (FDC), has decided today to provisionally suspend Mr. Luis Rubiales from all football-related activities at national and international level.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He kissed her as way of celebration after winning the series. Understandable. She didn't want to be kissed and felt violated, so she made a complaint about it. Understandable.

He could've solved this by simply apologising. Assuming this was a "first offence", it would've been solved for the most part. Maybe she wouldn't accept it, but the public probably would.

Instead they've escalated the accident into a lawsuit and made a public enemy of themselves.

[–] 0x815@feddit.de 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

@abbadon420

Maybe she wouldn't accept it, but the public probably would.

So violating an individual's rights is acceptable as long as 'the public' accepts it?

And if so, who is 'the public'? I feel I'm also part of the public in that case, and don't accept it.

Instead they've escalated the accident into a lawsuit and made a public enemy of themselves.

No, not 'they'. It was just him, can't see any wrongdoing by her.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So violating an individual’s rights is acceptable as long as ‘the public’ accepts it?

Zero tolerance policies suck. There has to be some room for forgiveness.

[–] 0x815@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@P03 Locke

Zero tolerance policies suck. There has to be some room for forgiveness.

That may or may not be true as a generic statement, but in the given case it's far too late for forgiveness. This man crossed more than one line.

[–] Falafels@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

I think if the actions he took afterwards that are being reported are true, the time for forgiveness is way past, as you say.

https://www.football-espana.net/2023/08/22/spain-put-out-fake-jenni-hermoso-statement-following-kiss-incident-luis-rubiales-asked-her-for-joint-statement

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[–] Chuymatt@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

‘They’ being the Spanish futbol federation, I believe.

[–] 0x815@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

In that case the Spanish federation appears to be Rubiales alone. In the meantime he has been suspended by the world federation, and with the pressure from Spanish politics and all tbe others we can hope that he 'will be resigned' soon.

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[–] Soederchris@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 year ago

I think the they refers to the federation.

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[–] 0x815@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago

USA national team player Alex Morgan has come out in support of Jenni Hermoso, saying she was “disgusted” by how the Spain forward had been treated.

[–] un_aristocrate@jlai.lu 10 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure professional athletes have the right to strike just like anyone else.

[–] N1cknamed@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

From an outside perspective this whole thing seems to be blown way out of proportion. It's a dumb mistake, apologize and move on? Why does this need to be world news, require government involvement and cost multiple people's careers?

[–] dontcallmewoody@lemmy.ml 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Why is everyone so mad about sexual assault?”

[–] N1cknamed@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I've been touched in an inappropriate place when I didn't want to be more than once. I just said I didn't appreciate it, the person touching me apologized and that was it. I think it's absolute insanity to demand someones life to be ruined over something like that. People simply make bad judgement calls sometimes.

[–] Falafels@aussie.zone 44 points 1 year ago

Let's be clear. If his life gets ruined he did it to himself. This whole thing would have been forgotten if he sincerely apologised on the first day but he is choosing to bully Jenni Hermoso instead.

[–] exscape@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Threatening to sue doesn't sound like apologizing though.

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[–] SHamblingSHapes@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"the person touching me apologized"

Important part missing from this puzzle; any acknowledgment or apology from the leader of an organization sexually harassing women he has power over.

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[–] Anamana@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

He never apologizes tho, and therefore should be fired.

Also you weren't touched on live tv in front of millions of people? Plus it was probably not your 'boss' doing it either.

[–] Mars@beehaw.org 65 points 1 year ago

Rubiales it’s not a “dumb mistake” kind of guy. It’s an “I’m untouchable and can do whatever I want” kind of guy. This is part of a years long trend.

I mean, he is indicted for several corruption cases, accused of holding orgies paid with federation funds, and being a shady creep. Spanish sports federations and national government have protected him from prosecution, delaying several cases. Let’s see for how much longer.

He also is kind of bad as a federation president, petty, dismissive with some teams, blind to corruption and deals between teams and referees, slow to accept the popularity of women’s football, and many more bad decisions.

It’s not an innocent guy that made an honest mistake, it’s the kind of guy that treats other people like objects and have the power and influence to avoid or delay the consequences of his actions.

He should have resigned years ago, he will not do it. But now he has done something that:

  • it’s easy to explain.
  • has been seen around the world.
  • looks very bad.

So everyone that wanted him out of the federation for whatever reason (this one included) seems to be taking the chance.

As an Spaniard that doesn’t really care about football, but knows the kind of use this guy and others like him are making of their power, influence and taxpayer’s money ABOUT TIME.

[–] sculd@beehaw.org 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dumb mistake???? How do you mistakenly kiss someone???

Stop justifying sexual assault!

[–] N1cknamed@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By believing the other person would be fine with it. It happens.

[–] GoofyNoodle@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Doing it to people with whom you have no intimate relationship and without asking is exactly how you get sexual assault charges.

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[–] dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago

It may seem small but since forever women have been subjected to the whims of men and violated. After enduring trauma they experience further damage by either not being believed, defense of the violator, being blamed for what happened to them amongst several others. Consent matters. This man violated her, the federation lied by putting out a false statement from her. It’s become headlines due to it happening publicly on the biggest stage in women’s sports. It’s dangerous to just label a physical violation of consent as a dumb mistake. Then you factor everything that’s taken place since and it’s why it’s reached the level that it has.

[–] 0x815@feddit.de 32 points 1 year ago

I guess violations of human rights like the one we have here happen a million times a day across the globe, although mostly not in the public sphere. Sexual harassment is not 'blown out of proportion', it has to have consequences as any crime.

[–] CadeJohnson@slrpnk.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there was a time when he could have apologized for a dumb mistake and everyone would have moved on. It is world news now because HE chose another and unfortunate path - which probably has no route back to the sunlit lands.

[–] Mars@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

As I said in another reply, there was never any chance of this guy apologizing.

If anyone expected a (real) apology they don’t much about him.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

Because the coach isn't apologizing and moving on. He's helping getting the player punished for rightfully complaining about it.

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[–] 0x815@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

Majority of coaches on Spain’s women’s team resign as Luis Rubiales vows to fight on

In a statement, eleven coaches and technical staff said they would resign in protest against the 46-year-old’s defiant stance about the kiss, which Hermoso has said was unwanted.

“The undersigned, in light of the unacceptable attitude and statements made by the head of the federation, have taken the decision to resign from their positions,” the statement said.

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

Spain, that's the same country as the "wolf gangs", right?

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago

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Click here to see the summaryThe Spanish football federation has threatened to sue Jenni Hermoso, the player at the centre of a row over its president’s conduct, for lying and defamation.

It has also threatened to sue the 79 women’s football players who signed a letter in which they refused to play for their country as long as Rubiales remained in his post.

The move is the latest chapter in a fast-moving story after Rubiales kissed the Spanish player Jenni Hermoso after their World Cup victory a week ago, a kiss Hermoso says was not consensual and made her feel “vulnerable and the victim of an aggression”.

“I don’t want to interfere in the legal process but I feel obliged to report that the words used by Sr Luis Rubiales to explain what happened are categorically untrue and are part of the manipulative culture that he himself has created.

The federation reproduced a series of still photographs of the incident that it claims show that Hermoso lifted Rubiales off his feet and was not only willing but an instigator of the kiss.

Both Rubiales’ rambling speech on Friday, in which he said he was a victim of a witch-hunt and “fake feminism”, and the federation’s defence of him are increasingly seen as a battle that goes far beyond football, a struggle between an entrenched, entitled male hierarchy and a more modern, feminist Spain.

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