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Leaked Zoom all-hands: CEO says employees must return to offices because they can't be as innovative or get to know each other on Zoom::Zoom CEO Eric Yuan discussed the benefits of in-person work in a leaked meeting.

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[–] Spike@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Something something dogfooding

[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why tf is his personal fortune still 200b??? Deam what if he's sabotaging his fortune so that he can keep making way to much money in different projects. Without people freaking out cuz he has 500b, the only what to do that would be in fact to tank a couple of companies in a way that seems not accidental.

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[–] corroded@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I've been doing a combination of working from home and working from the office since the start of COVID. I generally only go into work when there is something broken that needs me to physically repair it. I can honestly say that the times I'm working from home, my productivity is exceptionally higher than it would be otherwise. No distractions from coworkers, a more comfortable environment, better computers and desk ergonomics, no commute.

Employers need to realize that good employees work better from home, and the ones that don't are not worth keeping on the payroll.

[–] admin@leemyalone.org 4 points 1 year ago

This is a weird debate for me. I do feel like I'm able to coordinate and communicate with my coworkers more effectively in person. Especially with people I don't already have a close working relationship with. On the other hand i hate being at an office when i could be making lunch and doing laundry while being on a call.

[–] onionbaggage@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 year ago
[–] FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

It's worth noting, and not mentioned in most of these articles, that the CEO is saying that Zoom employees that live near offices must return at least 2 days a week.

They have not demanded that all employees return 5 days a week, but other CEOs don't do their own research and just think "we need to! Look at Zoom!".

[–] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'll get downvoted to hell for this, but the CEO is at least partially right. It is really hard to get to know people and build trust remotely.

I started my first post-college job in August of 2020. Most people were remote, but I was not due to the nature of my work. It is extremely hard to get to know people exclusively over email, phone calls, and video calls. It's frustrating not being able to get to know people even at the surface level. Knowing a little bit about your coworkers allows you to build rapport with them. Video and voice calls can be unreliable, and people can be very difficult to understand without in person cues and the ability to read lips. I say all of this as a very introverted person with social anxiety.

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Not downvoted, appreciate you sharing your perspective.

I’ve been successful building trust in remote work settings but it’s a very much about building a narrative that’s much more explicit and communicated in an active way.

But ignoring that bullshit I just typed, I think “building trust” in a professional environment is largely a trap. Not because you can’t trust anyone but that, if you’re building a good team, trust should be implicit. I was hired to do a job, you were hired to do a job, let’s trust that each other to do it.

I think it’s also worth bearing in mind that high trust teams can still build trust, I’m simply advocating for not starting from zero.

Unfortunately so many of the tools and workflows are built explicitly for low trust teams.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wish people would move away from the will be downvoted for this statement before saying something. It's just meaningless votes, and message is stronger without it than giving the impression of caring about karma or a willingness to stand by it regardless of reaction by not even acknowledging it.

[–] bird@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That may be true for some people individually, but I believe if no one at a company is able to build any connection (even on a professional level of base rapport ), that's much more an indicator of the company's failures to build a proper company culture that supports that.

People have been making close friends over the Internet with zero in-person interactions for decades now. And that's even without video chat being the primary way of doing it. I work 100% remote at a company with ~2500 employees. I'm pretty introverted, but I've managed to make a few friends mostly over slack that I would ask if they wanted to grab a drink or something if I were traveling through their area. There's no pressure or expectation of that from the company, there's no "we're family" nonsense, they've just created a company culture where that can happen.

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Upvoted because you've definitely touched on a very real problem that needs to be addressed.

But you're completely wrong about the cause. The problem is companies with a bad culture. @Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me said it brilliantly in a comment further up the thread, and I did my best (less elegant) job of explaining it above that. The company needs to take steps to encourage a good relationships between people, for example with casual and non-work-related chats in the chat app of choice, or by having people frequently working on problems in pairs instead of solo, especially when first starting out.

I had better relationships with my coworkers fully remotely at my last job than I do at my current job despite being in the office frequently. And that's all down to how the company manages its culture.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I disagree. Good culture is sometimes an accident. And folks in charge like to take credit for that accident working out

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Sure, that's absolutely the case.

But that wasn't my point. My point was that the experience with WFH comes down entirely to the culture, and if you're feeling isolated when WFH it's not a fault of WFH, it's a problem with your company's work culture.

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