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Hello everyone,

Opening this thread as a kind of follow-up on my thread yesterday about the drop in monthly active users on !fediverse@lemmy.ml.

As I pointed in the thread, I personally think that having some consolidated core communities would be a better solution for content discovery, information being posted only once, and overall community activity.

One of the examples of the issue of having two (or more) exactly similar Fediverse communities (!fediverse@lemmy.world and !fediverse@lemmy.ml ) is that is leads to

  • people having to subscribe to both to see the content
  • posters having to crosspost to both
  • comment being spread across the crossposts instead of having all of the discussion and reactions happening in the same place.

I am very well aware of the decentralized aspect of Lemmy being one of its core features, but it seems that it can be detrimental when the co-existing communities are exactly the same.

We are talking about different news seen from the US or Europe, or a piece of news discussed in places with different political orientations.

The two Fediverse communities look identical, there is no specific editorial line. The difference in the audience is due to the federation decisions of the instances, but that's pretty much it, and as the topic of the community is the Fediverse itself, the community should probably be the one accessible from most of the Fediverse users.

What do you think?

Also, as a reminder, please be respectful in the comments, it's either one of the rules of the community or the instance. Disagreeing is fine, but no need to be disrespectful.

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[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I envision what you're asking as kinda like IRC. Everyone on the same network (Lemmy) can join the same channel (community) and would be some sort of sync feature for when defederation/instance vanishes (netsplit) happens to re-sync everyone. This would require some sort of trust cert/key or something from each community that wanted to join the conjoined version, as well as to validate they are still the correct community and not a bad actor.

Not sure how moderation and communities that wanted to leave the whole would be handled though.

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

You're not the first one bringing a technical analogy, someone else mentioned git with merge between instances that would be branches.

Moderation is indeed the tricky part.

[–] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think users should always join the biggest communities, to avoid replicating data and fragment communities.

If an instance is decommissioned, all of its communities are lost. It is mitigated by the fact that no single instance hosts all communities.

The design is not perfect but this is how ActivityPub is designed.

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Subscribing to a multireddit as a community being implemented and promoted as a default experience may solve it. Idk if it should be on Lemmy's or client's side, but different communities forming a community-verse that's subscribable with one tap is, for me, the next stage of fediverse. If they are federated and cache each other, it should be possible to form a united feed. Best case, if you can make just a link combining them into one, so it's easy to share. It would fulfill this task without multiposting.

Browsing porn, for once, doesn't really work for me. On Reddit, I did a multi of things I enjoy to combine them, and switch to it without changing accounts. Now I either browse All-feed of porno instance seeing things I'm not into or go to exact user or community. It's far from what I enjoyed previously. And autorepost bots don't help it too.

IDing and combining posts into one is not fixing the problem, but covering it under a rug. The best case is to eradicate the very need to post the same meme, article or nude into two communities and then ban spammy accs. At least that's what I wish for.

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