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"How do the algorithms of Facebook and Instagram affect what you see in your news feed? To find out, Guardian Australia unleashed them on a completely blank smartphone linked to a new, unused email address.

Three months later, without any input, they were riddled with sexist and misogynistic content..."

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[–] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We scrolled through the feed every couple of weeks to check what was being served up.

This is a critical flaw in the studies methodology. 'loiter time' is a metric used by algorithms to serve up new content, if the researchers where checking each post for signs of misogyny, then they were probably skipping by totally innocucus stuff whilst paying attention to misogyny. This (being the only feedback given) will have shown the researchers what they wanted to see.

Three months later, The Office, Star Wars, and now The Boys memes continue to punctuate the feed, now interspersed with highly sexist and misogynistic images that have have appeared in the feed without any input from the user.

It'd be good to know the actual ratios, given this was a guardian study there's no reason to withhold data, nor a secondary source I can go and find the data. It's possible that Facebook is simply serving up the entire spectrum of posts proportionately to their activity on the internet, or even favouring anti-sexist posts that are just not noticed/mentioned by the guardian.

Does anyone genuinely believe banning this sorta stuff is going to "end violence against women and children in one generation"?

[–] schwim@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

The John Doe profiles were set up in April as generic 24-year-old males

Does the fact that they only used dummy male accounts and didn't bother to find out what women are subjected to represent the authors' own misogyny? Perhaps The Guardian should look at cleaning it's own house up before finding dirt on others'.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 4 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


On Instagram, while the explore page has filled with scantily-clad women, the feed is largely innocuous, mostly recommending Melbourne-related content and foodie influencers.

Nicholas Carah, an associate professor in digital media at the University of Queensland, said the experiment showed how “baked into the model” serving up such content to young men is on Facebook.

She praises the federal government’s Stop it at the Start campaign, which includes an “Algorithm of Disrespect” interactive depicting what a young man may encounter on social media.

The federal government has also funded a $3.5m three-year trial to counteract the harmful impacts of social media messaging targeting young men and boys.

The social services minister, Amanda Rishworth, says combatting misogynistic attitudes and behaviour in the online and offline world will help achieve the national plan to end violence against women and children in one generation.

“Around 25% of teenage boys in Australia look up to social media personalities who perpetuate harmful gender stereotypes and condone violence against women - this is shocking,” she says.


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[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What's this got to do with the UK exactly?

[–] crime@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Tell ya agenda based posters stand out like a sore thumb and I've seen these accounts far too many times modding over on lel weddits.

Sent a couple of reports in for this 1 week old account, might be wise to fire some more in?

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Everyone has an agenda you fucking nonce. Anyway I'm firing off reports about your harrassment of new accounts.

[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No they don't.

Also, it's nice to make easy tags against agenda based instance users piling in with uncivil remarks.

Really telling, and appreciated.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah you're totally right, people come and here and post for literally no reason whatsoever all the time. Completely normal to post without any form of motivation behind it. Like obviously there's absolutely no motive behind your accusations of "agenda posting", you just slapped a random set of letters and they happened to form those words.
Maybe you should examine what you really mean when you accuse other people of having an agenda.

[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Believe me I will do, and there's no harm in calling it out since it's completely off topic to our fine nation.

But your bait with name calling is again, telling. Hope your thumb gets better :(

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No you won't, if you were the type to self crit you would have just done it instead of assuring me it'll happen. Also it is on topic and our nation is far from fine, by any definition of the word.

I don't know what that last line is supposed to mean, but your latching onto name calling suggests you're incapable of forming a coherent argument and can only argue against people being mean to you, not against their actual points.

At least we can be sure you're not lying about being from Bradford.

[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There is no argument, you're just a prat that likes to call people names when they surface bullshit.

I'd apologise if you could fathom what goes on with your feed but I also know masochists like this bullshit in their feed and bickering about it.

Have fun!

[–] gytrash 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We have Facebook and Instagram in the UK, and I thought it was interesting and important information.

[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We also have KFC and McDonald's, but does that mean a study from the US about them should be posted here too?

It's really not on topic especially since it's coming from an Australian study?

[–] gytrash 7 points 4 months ago

Thanks for your opinion.

[–] Emperor 3 points 4 months ago

If anyone has an issue with the appropriateness of an article for a community feel free to report it and let the Mods decide. There's no need to make a big deal about it.

I'm now locking discussion here as it has become uncivil and, ironically, off-topic.