The Great Tirewall
this post was submitted on 11 May 2024
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Ok America is definitely going to ban Chinese solar panels and guarantee an extra degree of warming
They absolutely will.
These fucking people I swear, they believe in market fairies. They think that if they ban imports, domestic supply will suddenly materialize from nowhere. They're willing to ban but not willing to invest. Unless it's some hare brained scheme where they write a capitalist a check for $20B to build a $2B factory
Why would anyone build a big panel factory when the tariffs can just as easily be reversed? Also where are we supposed to get the knowledge and equipment?
It's all so profoundly stupid, backwards, and FRUSTRATING when you clearly have an example of an alternate system that works and yet refuse to adopt it because of greed, of all things
Ironic in a way that productive forces are so developed in China that the communists have become free marketeers while the capitalists are back to doing hardcore 18th century protectionist mercantilism.
China really learned from the mistakes of the Soviet Union. They let the capitalists in and the capitalists gleefully destroyed their own productive capacity for a quick profit. This is what long term planning uninterrupted by the endless moving of deck chairs on the Titanic (American elections) gets you.
Agreed but to be fair, I think the Soviets would have done this if they could have, but they were facing an imminent invasion from the Nazis and had to batten down the hatches. China’s borders seem more secure to me compared with the USSR, which had lengthy borders with imperialist countries.
Very good point
Well yes but after Stalin there was a possibility for them to do the exact same thing as China, if we're being a bit idealistic. I think that reform and opening up was due to the Chinese learning from Kruschev's faults
TBH, for China it was possible, because Americans wanted to encourage further split from USSR, so the Soviet Union didn't actually have such option.
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True.
That is a very good metaphor! Thank you.
"cheap" lol
Thank you for protecting us from inexpensive, quality cars
Don't you want to buy a $100k Playstation 1 graphics Truck which gives you an amazing drive of 35 miles before breaking down?
Only if it's dry. In rain you are lucky if you make it 10.
Most environmentally progressive president
"You will only buy our overpriced low quality American EVs and you will like it plebs." - US state dept
What EVs lol
Still love the truck, though
The Ford F-150 Lightning, obviously
Worse Joules/Km than the gasoline F-150 
If you can't beat em, block em. That's the American way.
Damn lol.
I saw a lib on tiktok saying “Chinese cars are not banned in America they just have a 28% tariff!” Not too long ago and even with that I was like wow that’s a lot lol
I mean I’m not aware of any Chinese brand that is in compliance with US regulations, so yeah they are illegal to drive in America.
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I just want a new EV that doesn't cost 40k+
I just want trains to every city
The BYD Seagull starts at 11-12k. Double that and it’s still relatively affordable. There is no way forward for US EV manufacturing, they’re cooked
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Won’t someone think of all the poor collusion and inflation these affordable and well made cars would harm!
Like I'll ever be able to afford a car that's newer than ten years old anyway.
Just as expected. it doesn't matter if you do tariffs if you leave it to the free market. there has to be planning for protectionism to work, the capitalists have to obey you like in China or have it be state owned else they will keep making overpriced garbage.
Keep trying Biden, they're just gonna make them so cheap the tariff is nothing!
They’re already there, honestly
idk a 11k car becoming 22k when I could buy like some toyota or some bullshit for 11k is a hard sell for me, a poor person who already can't afford an 11k car
Sorry if I came across as being dismissive. What I meant was that China already has such a competitive advantage that they’re going to corner the EV market no matter what. Poorer people will still be priced out of it, same as they are now with Tesla and the Ford Volt.
As much as I don’t believe EVs are how we tackle the climate crisis, this is still a net loss for the planet.
oh no you're good dawg, yeah I agree
Reminds me of the chicken tax. Less state dept, more economic warfare on a rising japan. Sorry americans, no small pickups, only child squishers.
If you double the price of a $20K car that’s still only 40K for essentially the best EV you can get in the US. And I think the cheapest I’ve seen is actually 11k. The Chinese are still gonna take your markets, you’ll just be taxing the buyers and suppressing their buying power
So the price is going to be doubled artificially? What absolute horseshit
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Free market for you but not for me.
But what's the deal with inflation?? Such a mystery!
I wonder how hard it is to smuggle electric vehicles, 10-50k is a big profit margin.
Whether or not I believe in the free-market is irrelevant, because capitalists most certainly don't.
I want a BYD Han so bad
It's simple supply and command.
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