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[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 81 points 7 months ago (4 children)

They forgot

  • The sun
  • The sun and moon
  • The sun, moon, and planets

At least worshipping the sun actually kinda makes sense. We'd be totally fucked without it.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, exactly. Sun worship is a religion I can understand because it truly is the source for almost all life on earth.

[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 months ago

Exactly! The sun doesn't need to be supernatural to be worshipped - even when natural, it's pretty super.

[–] BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wait. Almost? ʕ ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°ʔ

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's some basic life living off geothermal energy which is intrinsic to earth and does not require the sun. Whether this life could have developed without the sun I don't know.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago

Well the elements that the organisms are made of were created in stars. And our sun was responsible for the formation of all the planets in the solar system (by holding all the matter in orbit around it).

I suppose gravity is really closer to a god than the sun, since it caused the heating of the earth’s core, which sustains those deep sea vent creatures.

Plus we still don’t fully understand that physics. So properties of it still work in mysterious ways…

[–] Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If anything we can see is responsible for giving us life, it's the Sun. Praise to the Sun.

[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

Let's bring back sun cults, people!

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Is that a reference to Solaire?

[–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci.

[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

I shudder to think what the world would be like without Joe Pesci.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that just Invisible People in the Sky window?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago

The natural sun exhibits all the basic properties of a loving god, including providing us with a fairly consistent amount of energy to feed all the chlorophyll-based life and keep water mostly liquid. And it commands respect:

  • Gaze at ☉ and your eyes will hurt and spot. Gaze for too long and you'll do permanent coronal damage. Stand out in the sun for too long and your skin will burn. Respect the rays.
  • Left out in the vacuum of space (exposed directly to ☉) you'll be baked crispy golden brown in minutes. 🜨's atmosphere and magnetic field are essential that we may live on the surface and behold the sky.
  • ☉ is 99.8% of the solar system. The remaining .2 is mostly ♃. Imagine getting a blood draw for lab work. That's the solar system compared to ☉. And the whole of 🜨 are a smear on a slide.
  • As Carl Sagan points out All of the rocky and metallic material we stand on, the iron in our blood, the calcium in our teeth, the carbon in our genes were produced billions of years ago in the interior of a red giant star. We are made of star-stuff. The ichor of gods runs also through us.
  • We depend daily on the consistent energy that shines from ☉. Were it to disappear, we'd quickly freeze and die. (☉ will eventually expand to a red giant about five billion years from now, but that explosion itself will take about a billion years, so it's a process. If the descendants of humankind are still around, hopefully we'll be able to evacuate 🜨 before it gets scorched. But more likely we'll be long gone, lost to another great filter.)
  • There are other ways the relationship between 🜨 and ☉ could turn into a global catastrophic risk. A rogue black hole winging the solar system (not even in the ort cloud) could send 🜨 into an eccentric (very eliptical) orbit, giving us scorching summers and sub-arctic winters. And CMEs in the geological record have been massive enough to overwhelm the magnetic field and bake all surface life crispy. But not in over a billion years.
  • And yet, ☉ loves us (well, shines on us, providing life-sustaining energy) unconditionally being consistent for eons, shining upon the just and the unjust, the predator and herbivore and parasite without judgement. Or at least ☉ doesn't express its judgement in any way we can detect.

So yeah, ☉ worshipers and heliophiles may pay homage to the sun for the wrong reasons (tanning and spending too long presents cancer risk) but ☉ features a lot of properties we expect from the divine. But that doesn't help religious ministries who want to retain members who doubt their own favor in the eyes of gods, so will come and pray and feed collection plates and sell the dogma to passersby and help upkeep the temple. The sun shines on the crops of the profane as it does the devout.

[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 20 points 7 months ago

Why no magic invisible rocks in the sky?

Oh, wait, thats astrology. (Though they're visible).

[–] biddy@feddit.nl 14 points 7 months ago

The implication that before modern religions there were no preachers or prophets has got to be wrong. People making up nonsense and other people believing it is as old as people.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I was expecting a better punchline... Some about learning and understanding the world around us is, to me, what makes religion unnecessarily.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I don't know, to me religion is so silly I didn't need science or greater understanding of the world to see the nonsense of it.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago
[–] vin@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 7 months ago

Very abrahamic…

[–] Chonk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Finally we are growing up

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago

Incidentally, the temple priests have been around ever since agriculture, insisting they are the channel through which divine favor is had. It's also been a controversy for about that long, with various rebels (including pre-resurrection Jesus) trying to say the temple priests don't know any more than you do. Figure out your own faith!

So the temples have been political as long as there has been politics.