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[–] median_user@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

EVs don't fix congestion, don't fix particulates from tyres, don't fix tyre noise (which dominates above 30mph), don't fix crash deaths, don't fix road damage, don't fix energy usage and don't fix cars contributing to sedentary lifestyles.

Perhaps we should also be looking at some other solutions while we transition to from ICE vehicles EVs.

[–] snacks 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

all of this is incorrect or misleading. in order:

congestion is far better in an EV than ICE. particulates from tyres and brakes are far worse in hotter engines, EVs use engine braking for 70-80% of all travel.

crash deaths are hardly EV specific.

nor is road damage.

after 15k miles the carbon debt is paid off and you can recycle the battery at end of life.

people need to travel to work.

im all for arguments against EVs but none of these are valid and have been debunked over and over and over again.

[–] Granary 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think above point was that EV's aren't a cure all just because they run on electric instead of fossil fuels. They still have many of the same problems as regular cars so more should be done to get people on better modes of transport instead (e.g. trains, bikes etc).

[–] snacks -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you cant say that black is white and ask people to accept the conclusion. Bikes are great for personal travel but for example I carry equipment everywhere all over the country. Its not a solution unless your perspective is that I cant go to work, which is absurd.

[–] Granary 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most trips aren't being taken by people carrying equipment to work. The good thing about promoting alternative methods of travel is that people who really need to drive (like yourself) aren't hindered by those only driving as it's the most convenient. Driving in the Netherlands is excellent partly because they have great cycling and public transport infrastructure.

You might find this video informative from Not Just Bikes about driving in the Netherlands - https://youtu.be/d8RRE2rDw4k?t=2m58s

[–] snacks -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

again with the false premise. The vast majority of traffic is business related, not just commuting. Wether someone goes to the park on a bike or not is just a side issue, and not what the original post was about.

[–] Granary 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

According to the National Travel Survey 2021 only 3% of car trips are for business (see chart 10). The vast majority of trips are for leasure/commuting/shopping which can be done via other means.

Most people use the mode of transport most convenient for them, so the trick is to make more effecient modes of transport (i.e. not cars) the most convenient.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-travel-survey-2021/national-travel-survey-2021-household-car-availability-and-trends-in-car-trips#trends-in-car-trips

[–] snacks -2 points 1 year ago

This is frustrating for me. Business isn’t just cars, it’s vans, heavy goods and everything else on the road, which all need to be decarbonised. I’m not against bikes, or whatever you’re on about. I’ve done my best here but I can’t keep typing the same thing over and over

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