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UK Labour are too Tory for me.
I've threatened that they've lost my vote. (edit)
On LGBTQIA, specifically trans rights.
On their plans for the NHS.
On their plans for health and wealth inequalities in the UK.
On their plans for the relationship the UK has with Europe.
They have to be less Tory to get my vote back.
It's not acceptable that to not vote Tory, we have to settle for what they offer. They assume their position is acceptable.
If they correct their position, I'll reconsider
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[–] ThePyroPython 13 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Can you vote tactically for Lib Dem or Greens without risking more votes going to the Tories?

[–] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Fuck the Lib Dems, even tactically.

[–] ThePyroPython 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mate, we're under a first past the post system, tactical voting matters to get the most damaging political force, i.e. the Tories, out of power and by a significant majority.

Anything remotely left of the Tories is better, even if it is Centre Centre Centre calling itself Left Labour.

[–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

At this point lib Dems are probably left of labour with their policies, given labours recent downturn

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I mean I believed that and voted for Clegg and then he turned out to be a toffee tory

[–] noodle 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, this is just untrue.

They are a centre-right party. They effectively represent Tories who didn't want Brexit. They may talk a big game and make big promises, such as UBI. But they also made promises when they went into coalition with the Conservative party, and once in power they fell in line.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

UBI isn't even necessarily a leftist policy. Apparently Richard Nixon even considered it!

[–] noodle 2 points 1 year ago

It's not inherently leftist but it is a big promise.

Not unlike tuition fees.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Just incredible that the Lib Dems are still trying this argument.

Apart from the reality of their platforms, Ed Davey was literally a cabinet member in a Tory government and was knighted for this service by a Tory Prime Minister.

[–] barontomatoes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apart from the reality of their platforms, their Ed Davey was literally a cabinet member in a Tory government and was knighted for this service by a Tory Prime Minister.

Well the fact that when the Tories got a majority of their own they reversed most of what he did in office should be in an indication that he's not actually one of them.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago

So his record is five years of voting for every Tory policy and zero long term achievements?

[–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, so it should be alarming that labour has worse policies than that, right?

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago

IDK what metric you're using for 'worse'. Sure would be alarming if they did, but they don't.

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