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[โ€“] erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't know what tankies are, and at this point, I'm afraid to ask.

[โ€“] TheGreatSpoon@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most people who are labeled tankies don't support Russia like the Beehaw user wants you to believe FYI, we just think historical conditions caused the Ukraine war and that those conditions show a trend of US expansionism rather than expansionist ambitions by a country with the GDP of Italy.

...But just like how not supporting democrats makes you a republican, not supporting America makes you a Putinist in their eyes. So wharever.

China is actually a controversial subject because a lot of people think the Deng reforms marked the moment China turned capitalist. Others think it was necessary to mature China's economy and particularly since Xi Jing Ping became chairman have had a lot of faith in China's transition plan.

What they said about tankies being fascists also doesn't make sense. Fadcists exist because of the threat of communism. They took state power to eradicate communists, preserve capital and, often times, establishing a superior racial class while doing so. Communists takes state power to abolish capitalism, eradicate poverty and create a classless society. They are literally opposites.

And always remember this suppression of free speech ONLY happened after western powers attempted to "strangle Bolshevism in its crib" through invasions, coup attempts and supporting reactionary groups.

So yes, surprisingly, socialist states suppressed dissent after the most powerful states in modern history openly declared a holy war on their existence (which includes supporting fascist states like Nazi Germany btw). Very strange.

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