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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (34 children)

How far did you get in this article?

The article sites examples such as the left dragging the party into supporting:

  • a much bigger social safety net during the pandemic
  • debt forgiveness
  • investing a shitload in transitioning to green tech

I could go on. Read the article.

[–] Harrier_Du_Bois@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

I read the article twice, chief.

“The left has won a lot more than “nothing” from engaging with the Democratic Party.”

“The left” in this instance is talking about actual leftists, and I would love anyone to point to me where the Democrats have done ANYTHING that LEFTISTS want. What have they done that fundamentally changes anything? What have they done that hasn’t been and won’t be stricken down by the courts? What have they done for labor organization?

Fuck the democrats.

[–] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (17 children)

February 2023:
https://www.reuters.com/business/white-house-renews-pressure-railroads-over-paid-sick-leave-2023-02-09/

"White House renews pressure on railroads over paid sick leave"

June 2023:
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid

"After months of negotiations, the IBEW’s Railroad members at four of the largest U.S. freight carriers finally have what they’ve long sought but that many working people take for granted: paid sick days.

Biden deserves a lot of the credit for achieving this goal for us,” Russo said. “He and his team continued to work behind the scenes to get all of rail labor a fair agreement for paid sick leave.”

Cue leftists: "Yes our stated goals were achieved and objections overcome, but it didn't arrived perfectly packaged with a bow on top looking like our ideal utopia, therefore all problems with progress are clearly the Democrats fault."

Seriously, please stop. Progress is never going to occur in exactly the way you think it should. It's still progress. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[–] Harrier_Du_Bois@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Crushing a labor strike so that Dems could negotiate better terms for the owners. Truly a win for the working class. You did it Libs!

[–] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh come on. Better terms for owners would have been doing absolutely nothing and leaving the rail workers with zero paid sick leave.

Public opinion is a reality whether you like it or not. An unpopular strike that disrupted regular people's lives might sound like a great idea in your utopia, but here in the real world what it's likely to accomplish is support for the suppression of strikes. You can't FORCE class consciousness onto people. You can try, but it's not going to work.

The union itself is reporting this as a win. How is that not enough for you?

[–] Harrier_Du_Bois@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, that would be the BEST terms for the owners. That wasn’t an option, because that could potentially lead to people in the streets. They made minor concessions to placate the workers and so Dems could say they did something.

Are you seriously saying that the union never would have gotten more than this if the strike hadn’t been crushed? This is as good as it get for the workers, right? The Dems stepping in was of zero benefit to the workers.

As far as the Union saying it’s a win….what the fuck else were they going to say? They had no cards left to play when the strike was crushed. The leaders were basically forced to accept this and say thank you. That’s how shit works under capitalism.

[–] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Uh...they could say "this is not what we wanted, this is bullshit, but we'll take it if we have to" because there's utterly not one thing stopping them from saying that.

Do you not understand that the initial demands from the union were MORE than they actually wanted to get in the end? Because that's how negotiations work. What everybody is demanding in the opening round is not what anyone actually expects to get in the end.

The union itself reporting this as a win tells me that this is where they were hoping to end up, or very close to it

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