Is there hope?
this post was submitted on 13 Nov 2024
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I'm not reading the thread but being in favor of communism works in theory, but in practice (lol) all these settlers will actually lose their quality of life if we were to have a revolution since we would have to dismantle imperialism and the benefits it provides. Few westerners are going to accept that, and so they will choose the treat button 9/10 times. Revolution happens in places where they have nothing to lose but their chains, but losing brunch and U2 at the Vegas sphere is not gonna fly
I don't think this is so true. If the billionaire and high-multimillionaire class is liquidated, that's a lot of resources and more importantly political power that is back in the hands of the proletariat. The ability to (on average) live in a society that actually has policies like what you want instead of trudging on with a "this is what reality is" resignated sigh is valuable (especially since most people are minoritized in some way besides being proles). Resources being spent towards pro-social ends instead of on corruption and the vanity of billionaires is also a gain that's hard to fathom. Yeah, there will be petite-bourg fuckers who want to continue with their fiefdoms unchallenged by nasty things like labor rights, but that's always the case to some extent. There will be a fascist movement from them that needs to be crushed, but that doesn't override the huge amount that people have to gain from revolution.
i agree. this map indicates that the median american's wealth is slightly below the mean global citizen's wealth, meaning any revolution that managed to redistribute resources more fairly on a global level would actually improve the living conditions of most americans. the data is pre-covid as well, so wealth is even more concentrated today than the map indicates.
whether most yankkkees realize this or could be brought to think in these terms is a completely different question, however
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Wealth is one factor but removing the social and cultural context doesn't do any favors. It isn't just wealth that indicates someone's relationship to capital, and in the imperial core even people who make less than a person outside the core have access to certain luxuries and treats and ideological crutches that keep them yoked to imperialism. People are addicted to treats and ideas here that do not plague other places, they have no national identity, they have no relationship with their neighbors and no reason to have them. Of course we can say that all people will benefit from redistribution of wealth, even wealthy people since it will resolve the existential threat they too face from issues like climate change, but it is not enough to explain who will be interested in overthrowing imperialism and why