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Summary

Donald Trump’s 2024 victory reflects growing discontent among a segment of men, especially in the “manosphere” that criticizes women and celebrates traditional gender roles.

Fueled by grievances over shifting social dynamics and economic insecurity, many men view Trump as an embodiment of “alpha male” values. Despite his policies favoring the wealthy, Trump has gained traction among both white and minority men.

His administration’s Project 2025 agenda includes restrictions on reproductive rights, aligning with “red-pilled” anti-feminist sentiments.

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[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 1 points 5 days ago (8 children)

From the article...

These are the men swimming in the electoral pool. It’s not too late for it to be drained.

The article is cautious at first, pointing at facts and figures. At times, it almost seems to care. But when it comes to the final arguments, it is just: We gotta get rid of these men. Not even a viable solution, much less a sensible one.

It's everywhere. It's not hard to find, but it's not always overt. Usually, it is dismissive: "Well that's not what we're talking about right now." "Well feminism would fix those problems too." Or the person gets lumped in with Nazis, or misogynists, or whatever when what they've said doesn't really support that.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (7 children)

The article is not saying the problem is solely with them, and they are garbage beyond redemption.

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 2 points 5 days ago (6 children)

So your argument is "it doesn't literally say that to the letter, so you're wrong?" At best it suggests that this relatively wide swath of the population shouldn't vote. What's your interpretation?

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Calling out the problem is not saying they are irredeemable.

In one post I read, a user commented that he’s happy with women having fewer rights and left “barefoot and pregnant” by authoritarian, Republican policies, because he wants a cadre of “slave girls” serving him. Outside of the virtual locker room, there are men who have reportedly been red-pilled into anti-feminist mass killings and murdering their own spouses.

These are the men swimming in the electoral pool. It’s not too late for it to be drained.

Like, yes, these people absolutely do need to be flushed. Nowhere does that mean they are permanently branded Bad Forever, you're just making that up.

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There are like two of those people, not enough to be the driving factor behind Kamala losing.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We're not talking about why Kamala lost, we're talking about why you think the left is blaming all men when articles like this are very specific about the kinds of men that are the problem.

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ok, but how many or what percentage of men like this need to exist for it to be a talking point? If it's not generalized to a significant percentage, then it's not a valid point to bring up in the first place.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If it’s not generalized to a significant percentage, then it’s not a valid point to bring up in the first place.

That's just not true, like it or not, the manosphere has an impact beyond their population. Sorry you get triggered when people talk meanly about incels, but I assure you most people are aware that they don't represent all men, despite how you feel about it.

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

And yet these people want to blame it for the election loss. I think "the manosphere" has more impact on them as an easy scapegoat then it does on general voters in effecting elections.

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