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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (48 children)

This thing they call "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" has as much in common with Marx and Engels' idea of Communism as a Big Mac has with a plate of hummus.

Edit: western dengists, man.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago (19 children)
[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago (13 children)

The workers dont own the means of production. Its not communism

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not communist obviously, since there's still very much a state and class division. But socialist because the state primarily serves the workers, with the stated goal of striving towards communism.

Now whether it'll stay that way or not, we'll see. Deng's reforms have given liberals too much power after all; there seems to be an active class war happening in the Chinese state.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Not communist obviously

I find it's useful to select more descriptive terms than use the literal dozens of varying definitions of 'socialism' and 'communism'. The terms by themselves can be so vague that I can truthfully state this - "communism is the goal of communism!" A communist society, for example, is different from a communist party or a communist state (aka. Marxist–Leninist state), which are only parts of the communist movement and the communist school of thought. Obviously no-one looks at the PRC and sees a stateless, classless society, but that's an understandable (albeit condescending) interpretation of when people say "China is communist".

(Pinging @xnx@slrpnk.net as I'm also replying to their comment)

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