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Calif. sues Catholic hospital for ‘refusing abortion to mom whose life was at risk’ (www.independent.co.uk)
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“It is damning that here in California, where abortion care is a constitutional right, we have a hospital implementing a policy that’s reminiscent of heartbeat laws in extremist red states,” Attorney General Rob Bonta said.

A Catholic hospital in Northern California is facing a lawsuit by the state’s attorney general after it reportedly refused to perform an abortion on a woman whose pregnancy was not viable and whose life was in danger.

Anna Nusslock was already in severe crisis when she and her husband Daniel arrived last February at Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka, according to the suit, which AG Rob Bonta filed Monday in Humboldt County Superior Court. A doctor examined Nusslock, who was 15 weeks pregnant with twins, and told her they would not survive, the suit explains.

Without a dilation and evacuation procedure, or, what is commonly known as "an abortion," Nusslock was also at risk of death, the complaint contends.

However, it goes on, “Providence refused to allow Anna’s doctors to treat her, as the hospital’s policies prohibited them from terminating a pregnancy so long as they could detect fetal heart tones. The only exception was if the mother’s life was at immediate risk, a high threshold that Anna apparently did not yet reach. Only at some poorly defined point in the future, when Anna was close enough to death, would Providence permit her doctors to intervene. Until then, Anna and her physicians could do nothing but wait, worry, and hope.”

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 90 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Religion kills more people than all other causes combined. Abolish religion.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I don't actually think that's even close to true.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If heart disease and cancer are god's will, it counts. /s

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’m pretty sure they mean human-caused catastrophes. Although if we count meat consumption as a sort of quasi-religious behavior then maybe you’re right.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They are referring to the violence and wars committed over religion.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm aware, and I stand by what I said.

Estimates place death from all wars since recorded history at 1.1 billion. I'll grant you a bone and say religion has been responsible for an additional 2 billion deaths through any other means throughout all of history.

Mosquito borne diseases are estimated to have killed 52 billion people throughout history.

Original comment said religion killed more than all other causes put together. That's just simply not true.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Cause in the context above would probably be ideological. So the meaning is compared to other forms of ideology or other reasons for people to kill each other. Not natural disaster or diseases. Because obviously most people die from natural causes, and are not killed.

The original quote that was probably thought of is:
George Carlin: "More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason"

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Which is like 95% of all war. Mein Kampf mentions god literally dozens of times. No secular democracies have ever gone to war with each other, and virtually all autocratic regimes are religious.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

id imagine its heart disease, and malaria

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Ideological cause.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

There's SO many causes of heart disease, many of which are exacerbated and sometimes even caused by religion.

Besides, if you're religious enough to be a creationist, it stands to reason (to use the least appropriate word possible) that you believe ALL misery was created by your deity, including malaria.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I have to agree it's basically assuredly not true, even when accounting for:

  • Wars, genocides, and individual people killed over religion.
  • Suicides linked to religious abuse by institutions and by zealots.
  • Religion stifling the advancement of medicine such as in the case of stem cell research.
  • The brand of "god's will" bullshit that leads to preventable deaths in lieu of treatment.

Undoubtedly religion is hugely harmful, and I'm its biggest detractor that I personally know, but we live in an era where heart disease and cancer exist. Even saying religion causes a plurality of deaths would be wrong; "more than all others combined" is bullshit on a level that I can't believe it got so many upvotes.

We can say that religion results in a fuckload of unnecessary deaths without lying.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So what about the hundreds of years where medical science was banned from studying the body. Where they had to steal corpses and learn in secrecy. How many deaths from cancer and heart disease could have prevented had we not been stifled.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

We are still banned from studying stem cells to a degree or using them for cures if they came from a fetus. Religion is still preventing medical advancement for no reason.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  • You want to elaborate on when and how this happened? Because it wasn't "hundreds of years"; it was like 20 and limited to European Christians.
  • Do you have even vague figures grounded in fact that can make this comparable to current deaths by all other causes? That scientists during this 20-ish year period would have discovered something groundbreaking? Because by this line, I can say the leading cause of death – moreso than others combined – is Grug tripping over a rock circa 40,000 BCE and hitting his balls, thereby preventing the greatest scientist of all time from being born and curing cancer.
[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And the dark ages?

Look, any non-natural human-caused suffering I can think of can be linked to cults. And religion is just a super popular cult.

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I've been thinking about this for a minute, and I think a good standard here is making a list of (relatively) non-overlapping causes of death that have claimed over a billion human lives.

Infectious disease is almost certainly at least one entry on this list, primarily secular war as well, starvation/famine probably a few times over, cancer and heart disease are probably distinct entries, and death attempting to grow/hunt food. I suspect deaths by religion could be on that list as well, but it's the entry I'm least confident in.

In every sense of the word, this is a bad list to be on, but I don't think religion is near the biggest culprit on the list, even if you do a lot of special pleading, and group all deaths by religious cause together, but split each disease, war, etc up for some reason.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

According to John Green, it’s tuberculosis.

[–] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I religion is shit, but mosquitoes (and the myriad of illnesses they transmit) have killed more humans than humans have.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mosquitos were created by Satan himself.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Exactly. Mosquitos = Christians, Jews, and Islamists.