That's your little bubble. I don't think its just not caring, its just super hard to write secure and correct code all the time. Especially writing operating systems such as Windows, Android and Linux Kernel in general is much different world. It's not like those engineers trying to code correctly since computers actually exist.

But lets assume you are correct and all of this comes down to people not caring. Why don't you get the job if you are really that good? I'm sure there are a few golden programmers like you, that the world would need. Or the industry adopts Rust (or a similar language) and have lot of security by default for free, for everyone. If its true what you are telling, then using such a language will make a difference.

And we are not speaking theoretically. There are metrics from Microsoft (and now from Google) which show improvements and advancements since Rust was adopted. But really, to say that those engineers and programmer don't care is just a wrong statement. Okay, you have no metrics to prove your point, but you are questioning reports from Google.

[+] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social -6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

, that the world would need. Or the industry adopts Rust (or a similar language) and have lot of security by default for free

I can see you didn't care to understand the example I gave. Rust wouldn't have fixed the problem that happened in my bubble.

I can also see, you somehow think I am against Rust, just because I am for people caring about what they write.

are questioning reports from Google

No. I am interpreting the single number 52%, that came out of the report from Google, without caring about the meaning about the metric.
And that's what is causing you to not like what I wrote.
It's almost as if it is important to care about the context of what you are writing into. See what I did there?

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And you didn't care what I wrote. Its not about your bubble and nobody cares what problem you had. You are bringing your argumentation in a topic up, where it does not apply. We are specifically talk about problems that Rust could help against. And you take your argumentation of your personal experience as a reason that people at Google, Microsoft and other big companies didn't want to learn and don't care.

And when I point it out, then it means people didn't care to understand your example.

Look, you can tell what you want, using and adopting Rust has real impact in writing and maintaining complex and important code that is secure. There are reports left and right. It's not hard to understand why Rust prevents or helps with these issues.

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your reply came out as, one that was trying to refute the claim of some anti-Rust comment. Which the previous comment was not.

The way Rust works, clearly shows that it was developed by people who cared about those things.

And just because something happened in my bubble, doesn't directly prove it to not be happening anywhere else, just because it doesn't prove otherwise.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 3 points 1 month ago

Then why do you bring that up, after the argumentation that people did not want to learn? Look I try to be constructive. There are people who do not want to learn, but saying that all security issues is to attribute to that is wrong. Lot of the best engineers and programmers do their best, long time experts and groups, who still make mistakes.

What i"m saying is, that your example is not applicable in this discussion, because you are not writing systems programming for operating systems (such as Android or Windows or Linux), which are used by millions of people and ton of hackers try to find vulnerabilities. The best programmers in C and C++ make these mistakes that Rust would prevent (or make it much easier to find and eliminate).

That's the point. It's not about these experts not wanting to learn or not caring. We are not talking about the typical programmer for a website for company x or a fake game programmer for Android.