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‘Who dreams this crap up?’: Kevin O'Leary slams new rule that allows employees to ignore their bosses after hours (finance.yahoo.com)
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[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

There are a lot of jobs that require out of hours support, specifically those that aren't tied to business hours. In tech at least, many of the sites and services you use are built off the backs of software engineers that are paged at 5am because latency is a little higher than normal.

I don't raise this to say that this rule is bullshit, but to say that there are a lot of arguments that will be used to push people to work longer than their allotted hours. IMO this is absolutely required, but I would go further and say that any contact outside of working hours implies a working contract, and guarantees that the employee is paid for the disruption caused. That includes on-call too, which is often unpaid.

Labor laws in the US are, frankly, hilariously bad. You deserve unlimited sick pay, at least 25 days holiday (separate from sick leave), and the removal of at-will employment. What is described here is the bare minimum of what you should have.

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago (9 children)

There are a lot of jobs that require out of hours support, specifically those that aren’t tied to business hours. In tech at least, many of the sites and services you use are built off the backs of software engineers that are paged at 5am because latency is a little higher than normal.

There is a very easy solution to this dilemma: pay someone to stand ready at off-hours.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (7 children)

While true, there are some complications to this:

  • Unsociable hours usually require more pay
  • If you're already working 40 hours a week, focusing on stuff out of hours is going to be hard. I know this all too well!

IMO, this is EXACTLY where outsourcing should be used. Either move someone from the US (or your home country) to where you need support, ensure you have a good triage system for issues that might come up, etc.

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

If you’re already working 40 hours a week, focusing on stuff out of hours is going to be hard. I know this all too well!

I was thinking more along the lines of 'nightshift'. 😀

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