NATO was formed to be anti-USSR, after the collapse of which the Russian Federation tried to join NATO, and was denied. The RF then complained about NATO expansion, which had not ceased.

Regardless of whether or not you believe Russia's invasion of Ukraine is justified or villianous, it was provoked by NATO expansion, as admitted by NATO leaders themselves.

NATO didn't start after 2022, many of its leaders were Nazi officers and it has always been a way to exert Western supremacy.

[+] whenyellowstonehasitsday@fedia.io -6 points 3 months ago (7 children)

NATO was formed to be anti-USSR, after the collapse of which the Russian Federation tried to join NATO, and was denied.

in the same way the us wouldn't be allowed to join csto

The RF then complained about NATO expansion, which had not ceased.

i don't see how it's nato's fault that people are so sick of russia's shit that they're signing up to the defensive alliance against them in their droves

it was provoked by NATO expansion

nato expansion that existed because of russian land grabs

nato isn't the warsaw pact. they aren't sending in tanks to force people to be a part of their alliance.

this is just you doing the thing you accused me of doing by refusing to consider externalities

NATO didn't start after 2022

russia didn't start misbehavin' after 2022 either

many of its leaders were Nazi officers

east germany was part of the warsaw pact, and had plenty of ex-nazis in its ranks

the reason you can't draw a line from that to today is because the ussr folded like a cheap suit 30 years ago

it has always been a way to exert Western supremacy

you're just kind of saying things now

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

east germany was part of the warsaw pact, and had plenty of ex-nazis in its ranks

Lmfao ~~the fourth reich~~ west germany literally had more nazis leading it in its government than during the third reich. The socialist states did the opposite and purged nazis — obviously, since fascism is actually a threat to socialist states whereas it's more of an asset to capitalists with them able to scapegoat marginalized people for capitalism's faults the more prevalent it is.

More Nazis in West Germany's justice department after WWII than during Third Reich

Fully 77 percent of senior ministry officials in 1957 were former members of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party, a higher proportion even than during the 1933-45 Third Reich, the study found.

Nazis in post-WW2 Germany's government

From 1949 to 1973, 90 of the 170 leading lawyers and judges in the then-West German Justice Ministry had been members of the Nazi Party.

Of those 90 officials, 34 had been members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), Nazi Party paramilitaries who aided Hitler's rise and took part in Kristallnacht, a night of violence that is believed to have left 91 Jewish people dead.

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