In a post-scarcity solarpunk future, I could imagine some reasonable uses, but that’s not the world we’re living in yet.
AI art has already poisoned the creative environment. I commissioned an artist for my latest solarpunk novel, and they used AI without telling me. I had to scrap that illustration. Then the next person I tried to hire claimed they could do the work without AI but in fact they could not.
All that is to say, fuck generative AI and fuck capitalism!
If you go to college for art you are actively required to use specific licensed learning materials to learn from. They don't just go get random training material off the web and go "draw like this but make it your own". The same principles apply. The AI has no filters. It has no way of determining what is copyright infringement and what isn't. It can't decide what is fair use and what isn't.
@atrielienz the reason they have to use specific licensed material is because they are charging rhe art student and therefore must pay for the materials they provide to the student.
But as a student, you can look at any public art you want and allow it to inform your work as long as you don't copy. So that's another example of the same principle: you must pay to reproduce/distribute someone else's art for money. So we come to the same point: no reproduction, but intake is allowed.
Two things. One. You agree that they are charging the student and therefore providing a service and thereby would need to use licensed material because they are charging for that material or its use. Why is that different that a generative AI firm providing a paid service using unlicensed training data? We're not talking about generative AI firms as individuals. They're businesses. Making money off a training set that was acquired through means that took the IP of other individuals and business without their knowledge and consent and used it to create something that they are selling as a service.
Two. There are a myriad of reasons why companies license materials and a lot of them don't include the direct use, redistribution of, or copying of any of that material. There's also a number of reasons schools license materials up to and including uniformity, consistency, and to put their spin on things so to speak. That's why you might be able to find the same art course on offer just about any higher learning institution but the one at Julliard is not going to be the same as the one at the community college of Kenosha Wisconsin. The community college can't just get a copy of the training materials used by Julliard and reproduce those exactly. What you're saying is just a gross oversimplification of the real reasons, and I feel like it might be on purpose at this point.
@atrielienz so you said it right here: "...can’t just get a copy of the training materials used by Julliard and reproduce those exactly."
They can't reproduce, but if Juliard posted their materials online for free, then the professor at the community college could look at those materials and use that to inform their own material selection.
You are muddling up a bunch of random side issues rather than addressing the principle issue: anyone at any company can view public information.
You seem to think for free means just take it and use it to generate revenue. That's not what it means to have something be posted on the Internet. An artist's online portfolio isn't free. That's not how that's supposed to work and you know it.
If it were these LLM'S wouldn't shy away from using music on the Internet to train their LLM's. At least one of these firms has literally said they don't do this specifically because they don't want to get into trouble with any record labels. But sure. LLM'S can steal from Getty images and the NYT and be fine. That totally makes sense.